WTB Begi Turbo kit ?
05-13-2014, 03:09 PM
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WTB Begi Turbo kit ?
hey guys, im just trying to see if anyone is parting out their turbo kit .. i know i can build one (flame suit ready) or purchase one .. but the reason being im asking is, i need a Begi turbo kit since i live in Cali which requires smog, and i need the certificate so if you have the basic kit .. that's perfect.. just let me know. trying to see what i can get before i really purchase the whole kit itself from begi. ( still trying to save up for the kit ) thanks !!
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05-13-2014, 05:20 PM
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actually it wont pass visual if i dont have the CARB EO number .. if i do have it and they see it thats a no problem. not unless the smog tech is an ***. Also i forgot to mention i have a 95 miata None Obd motor ..
#3 Which systems are CARB approved?
BEGI currently holds a CARB EO for turbo systems on the 1989-1999 Miatas. The systems that are CARB legal are the BEGI-S, S1, S2, and S3. The S4, SSM, and the Shanghai series of turbo systems are NOT CARB Legal.
#3 Which systems are CARB approved?
BEGI currently holds a CARB EO for turbo systems on the 1989-1999 Miatas. The systems that are CARB legal are the BEGI-S, S1, S2, and S3. The S4, SSM, and the Shanghai series of turbo systems are NOT CARB Legal.
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05-14-2014, 12:55 PM
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Nope never been to clubprotege.
And I suggest you keep looking into this matter, I'm not joking or trying to misinform you when I tell you that dozens of us here in CA have been jumping through hoops about this subject and no one that I know of has a completely legal BEGi kit that they take to their local smog place right now and pass.
I know of FFS coldside supercharger setup cars that do. I know Greddy turbo kit cars that do. I've yet to see a current BEGi setup that does.
And I suggest you keep looking into this matter, I'm not joking or trying to misinform you when I tell you that dozens of us here in CA have been jumping through hoops about this subject and no one that I know of has a completely legal BEGi kit that they take to their local smog place right now and pass.
I know of FFS coldside supercharger setup cars that do. I know Greddy turbo kit cars that do. I've yet to see a current BEGi setup that does.
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05-14-2014, 01:15 PM
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Nope never been to clubprotege.
And I suggest you keep looking into this matter, I'm not joking or trying to misinform you when I tell you that dozens of us here in CA have been jumping through hoops about this subject and no one that I know of has a completely legal BEGi kit that they take to their local smog place right now and pass.
I know of FFS coldside supercharger setup cars that do. I know Greddy turbo kit cars that do. I've yet to see a current BEGi setup that does.
And I suggest you keep looking into this matter, I'm not joking or trying to misinform you when I tell you that dozens of us here in CA have been jumping through hoops about this subject and no one that I know of has a completely legal BEGi kit that they take to their local smog place right now and pass.
I know of FFS coldside supercharger setup cars that do. I know Greddy turbo kit cars that do. I've yet to see a current BEGi setup that does.
Hey OP, i just boned you.
Or threw a bone at you.
Or to you.
Or something.
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05-14-2014, 01:19 PM
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I spoke at length to the people at BEGI about it not long ago, and then this happened in my old "build" thread:
The tech data in this is for an NB, because I have an NB. As you have an NA, some of this isn't applicable. The bold part is probably more applicable to this situation, but the rest of it is worth reading just to understand what can of worms you are opening up.
Short answer: Yes. Chances are they will look it up.
Depends on the smog tech, and the sticker. Do an image search for "CARB EO sticker" on google and you will see what I mean. The old JRSC stickers said something like "Honda/Acura/Ford Supercharger Systems" but I have no idea what they say for the CR-Z
It used to be that a lot of them really didnt care. If It looks like a legit CARB sticker and everything appears to be hooked up correctly, they would run it. Unfortunately, CARB has started sending under cover inspectors out to "check up" on the tech stations. Fines and revocation of license are typical for infractions. I've heard that a lot of stations will not even let your car in the shop if you have anything with an EO sticker on it under the hood, simply because they don't want to be responsible for looking up the documentation for the device and then insuring that you have it installed and functioning per the EO description. They would rather continue putting your Moms 2001 Accord on the machine and collecting their $80 and move on with life. CARB EOs are complicated and take time, and that costs them more monies.
Example 1: When I had my NA, it had a MonsterFlow intake (CARB EO D-591) installed and stickered. I had a hell of a time passing the visual part of the inspection because I didn't buy the optional heat shield, and the description on EO D-591 specifically states "heat shield (as applicable)" and all the Miata documentation shows a heat shield.
Example 2: I briefly considered selling my 2000 for a 1999 so I could get a street legal turbo:
When I emailed BEGI and conversed with Stephanie (or Corky, can't remember) they informed me that they no longer sell the extra injector setup, or the powercard controller to control the extra injectors, and that there is no "timing retard device" for the BP4W NB series engines. The RRFPR is actually useless on the returnless NB fuel system unless you install a fuel pump under the hood... etc. The problem is, the underlined stuff in the above CARB EO is IN THE EO DESCRIPTION and any tech worth a damn is going to look this up if someone rolls in with a turbo strapped to their car, rather than "do me a solid" and loose their license.
When I bought these concerns up with Steph, her response was "We have had no reports out of California about people failing smog tests with our kit" or basically "trust us." She then recommended that I buy there $1,495.00 XEDE piggyback so I could retain the stock ECU and thus get OBDII functionality and call that the "timing retard device." To pass visual, I was told to plug a couple injectors into the intake plumbing and install a RRFPR even though they don't do anything.
IF something happened to this car and someone dropped an insurance check in my lap, I'd buy a 49 state 1999 Miata and a bare bones BEGI-S or Series 1 kit with no turbo (I have a T25 in the garage) for the CARB cert and then run it with my Megasquirt. For visual, I'd do as Steph recommended and install a RRFPR and dummy injectors, and possibly buy one of FMs VooDoo cards. For inspection time, I'd wire the wastegate open, run the stock ECU/injectors/maf/cat w/VooDoo and call it a day.
Depends on the smog tech, and the sticker. Do an image search for "CARB EO sticker" on google and you will see what I mean. The old JRSC stickers said something like "Honda/Acura/Ford Supercharger Systems" but I have no idea what they say for the CR-Z
It used to be that a lot of them really didnt care. If It looks like a legit CARB sticker and everything appears to be hooked up correctly, they would run it. Unfortunately, CARB has started sending under cover inspectors out to "check up" on the tech stations. Fines and revocation of license are typical for infractions. I've heard that a lot of stations will not even let your car in the shop if you have anything with an EO sticker on it under the hood, simply because they don't want to be responsible for looking up the documentation for the device and then insuring that you have it installed and functioning per the EO description. They would rather continue putting your Moms 2001 Accord on the machine and collecting their $80 and move on with life. CARB EOs are complicated and take time, and that costs them more monies.
Example 1: When I had my NA, it had a MonsterFlow intake (CARB EO D-591) installed and stickered. I had a hell of a time passing the visual part of the inspection because I didn't buy the optional heat shield, and the description on EO D-591 specifically states "heat shield (as applicable)" and all the Miata documentation shows a heat shield.
Example 2: I briefly considered selling my 2000 for a 1999 so I could get a street legal turbo:
CARB EO: D-349-1
EO Date: 2000-12-19
Manufacturer Name: Bell Engineering Group, Inc.
Device: Mazda Turbocharger Kit
Device Type: Turbocharger System / Turbocharger Modification
Remarks:
1994 through 1999 Mazda Miatas The Mazda Turbocharger Kit includes the following: Garrett turbocharger, 10 psi. maximum boost, high flow fuel pump, intercooler (optional), two supplementary fuel injectors, fuel regulator designed to raise the fuel pressure as a function of boost pressure, open element air cleaner, ignition timing retard device, cast iron exhaust manifold, and exhaust connecting pipe. The supplementary fuel injectors are placed in an air tube just prior to the throttle body and are controlled by a boost pressure actuated electronic circuit. The manufacturer recommends 92 octane fuel.
EO Date: 2000-12-19
Manufacturer Name: Bell Engineering Group, Inc.
Device: Mazda Turbocharger Kit
Device Type: Turbocharger System / Turbocharger Modification
Remarks:
1994 through 1999 Mazda Miatas The Mazda Turbocharger Kit includes the following: Garrett turbocharger, 10 psi. maximum boost, high flow fuel pump, intercooler (optional), two supplementary fuel injectors, fuel regulator designed to raise the fuel pressure as a function of boost pressure, open element air cleaner, ignition timing retard device, cast iron exhaust manifold, and exhaust connecting pipe. The supplementary fuel injectors are placed in an air tube just prior to the throttle body and are controlled by a boost pressure actuated electronic circuit. The manufacturer recommends 92 octane fuel.
When I emailed BEGI and conversed with Stephanie (or Corky, can't remember) they informed me that they no longer sell the extra injector setup, or the powercard controller to control the extra injectors, and that there is no "timing retard device" for the BP4W NB series engines. The RRFPR is actually useless on the returnless NB fuel system unless you install a fuel pump under the hood... etc. The problem is, the underlined stuff in the above CARB EO is IN THE EO DESCRIPTION and any tech worth a damn is going to look this up if someone rolls in with a turbo strapped to their car, rather than "do me a solid" and loose their license.
When I bought these concerns up with Steph, her response was "We have had no reports out of California about people failing smog tests with our kit" or basically "trust us." She then recommended that I buy there $1,495.00 XEDE piggyback so I could retain the stock ECU and thus get OBDII functionality and call that the "timing retard device." To pass visual, I was told to plug a couple injectors into the intake plumbing and install a RRFPR even though they don't do anything.
IF something happened to this car and someone dropped an insurance check in my lap, I'd buy a 49 state 1999 Miata and a bare bones BEGI-S or Series 1 kit with no turbo (I have a T25 in the garage) for the CARB cert and then run it with my Megasquirt. For visual, I'd do as Steph recommended and install a RRFPR and dummy injectors, and possibly buy one of FMs VooDoo cards. For inspection time, I'd wire the wastegate open, run the stock ECU/injectors/maf/cat w/VooDoo and call it a day.
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05-14-2014, 01:41 PM
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Thanks guys I really appreciate responding back. Don't worry I'm not like the other noobs where i take advice as insult .. ill definitely would take this into consideration. ill do more research.. the super charger seems to be more reasonable since if i Do go smog its somewhat easy to remove . Unlike a Turbo where i have to deal with rusted or seized bolts for smog. Also i agree with todays smog where techs are scared to accept something fishy right away. Any more Input pls feel free, pls lead me into the right direction.. im still a lost sheep living in the state of CA...
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Thanks guys I really appreciate responding back. Don't worry I'm not like the other noobs where i take advice as insult .. ill definitely would take this into consideration. ill do more research.. the super charger seems to be more reasonable since if i Do go smog its somewhat easy to remove . Unlike a Turbo where i have to deal with rusted or seized bolts for smog. Also i agree with todays smog where techs are scared to accept something fishy right away. Any more Input pls feel free, pls lead me into the right direction.. im still a lost sheep living in the state of CA...
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