Please post your maps!
 

I am re-collecting all maps. If you have a map please put your complete combination down, and how you calibrated the MAP sensor. It seems all the base maps I put out get epic fail, and all my customers have the good ones. :laugh: So I'm attempting to correct that. Thanks!

Index of /adaptronic/maps
sort by date... later is better.

2001 Miata
COPs (waste spark)
550cc injectors (low impedance, sequential)
ECU shares CLT, CKP, CMP, VSS, TPS, Neutral SW, Clutch SW, KS
Adaptronic controls ONLY: Inj 1-4, Ign 1/4 & 2/3
Adaptronic outputs a phony MAF signal via a circuit that converts PWM to voltage.
(this is done using Fuel Map 2 as a 3D output)
All other Mazda ECU functions are passed thru the jumper harness.

aw heck just look at my setup spreadsheet:
http://y8spec.com/adaptronic/Harness-Yates_090702.xls

after look at your ftp and xls i realized your not human.

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Okay,

2002 NB, 600cc Injectors, 3 BAR MAP, AEM UEGO, OEM O2 sensors, Open Element IAT sensor, BEGi GT2554 turbo...

Car idles okay, had a miss when hitting higher boost levels but think it is related to an injector problem. Car is down while wating on the repairs. :(

Comments and feedback always helpful! Also curious about how everyone is calibrating their MAP sensor... I read 113kpa at ignition on and no engine running...

Cheers,
Prospero

Prospero, feedback on that map:

1. Find out your injector dead time and set it NOW... it's definitely wrong and is the basis for all fuel map tuning.

2. It'd be a good idea to figure out the max boost your running now and set your overboost protection a couple psi over that. (7 kPa is about 1psi) set the 1 sec a little higher.

3. Your throttle overrun is not doing anything until you set the min water temp to somethign more reasonable (60C is good).

otherwise it looks ok. nothing that will keep you from running normally I dont think.

Yikes those injector dead times were imported in the base maps some how... I'll fix that...

Y8S,
Thanks a million for looking at this for me! I will resolve all the goodies ASAP... still waiting on my injectors to come back from the repairs; but will look up the dead times for the 600cc injectors right now!

Man, there are just soo many options!

Cheers,
Prospero

Travis,

You have the dead times for the 600cc injectors, right :) I have mine at
deatsch at this very moment and think that maybe I can test the car Monday night :) :)

If you would not mind sharing this info... I will put my fingers to work.

Thanks and best reagrds,
M@

It needs to be inverse exponential fitted, but the software for that is on my other computer which is being borrowed. This should work pretty well.

TravisR,
I’m pleased to share my map, the fuel map was tuned professionally on a dyno the rest is my own work, the car is driven by my wife so it has to be user friendly. Starts easily and idles smooth. I setup my MAP sensor (2 Bar) with one of these, Mityvac very easy to use and you can use it to bleed the brakes.
The engine: 1.8l , ceramic coated after market headers, 2.5” exhast,and high flow cat.
M45 supercharger 7psi, TD type intercooler, 2 throtle bodies, 360cc injectors, aftermarket fuel regulator 42psi.
Adaptronic e420c ECU
Ted

OMG, it was too early this morning when I read this post! Inverse Exponential Fitted? WTF does that mean... I have had 2 cups of coffee and it has not become any clearer yet. Please, teach me master :bowrofl: Danielsan needs to learn wax on and wax off! Hell, I don't even know what window these settings go into!

Argh, I need to spend less time at work and more time playing with my car!

Cheers,
Prospero

who says "inverse exponential"? you mean logarithmic? negative exponential?

One of my degrees is in math. All that stuff just blends together. If we look at the y-axis on an exponential graph with respect to x the y values go nuts, but they start at 1. On this graph the values go the opposite way as x=0 y~infinity, and as x=infinity y=~1. So inverse exponential :)

I actually ended up going with a 3rd degree poly fit for the steep side, and maybe a 5th degree for the flatter. :giggle: The exponential just wasn't cutting it.

Sorry if I missed it from a previous post. What is everyone using for the IAC frequency?

I heard that 500 was the best number since the factory setting is like 450 something :)

Anything above 200 that doesn't make noise is ok. The computer cycles at 200, so its not going to make much difference if its at a higher value then 200 besides getting rid of the noise.

Ahh, makes sense!

Ohh, quick question... where do I enter the injector dead time correction? I am slowly looking in WARI but have not seen it yet. :)

Thanks,
Matt

Oh hell, never mind! Just found it... it's sorta hidden in the middle of the screen; but there none the less!

But what is the purpose of secondary corrections here?

Thanks,
M@

OK thanks. I'll try 200 Hz. It is set at 100 Hz right now.

BTW I used Y8S settings for fuel enrichment. Works good. No throttle stall even when the engine is cold.

How about putting this into inputtable values? Propsero's dead time was wrong because mine was wrong but we were running with what was supplied. Might be the issue that I have with the lean tip in but I don't know how to covert the supplied values to data that I need.

Does anyone have an ECU file that starts well, idles well and doesn't have lean tip in that is running Deatchwerks 600's? I want to drop it in and at least see if it cures my idle and tip in problem.

It dies on me so many times today it was embarrasing. Won't run with AC on. I've tried and tried but I don't think that I have something fundamental that is preventing any further progress.

Like the Dead Time Correction. I know mine is wrong but I haven't the slightest idea what is right. Matt looked at Propsero's and immediately knew it was wrong.

Please help and me love you long time.:makeout: Travis? Any help for your first guinea pig?

I also have no Idea what my dead times are supposed to be:mad:
I'm going to try to get them from deatchwerks but dont know if they'll play ball

*edit: as far as idle and all that, I mimicked y8's settings while keeping my fuel map and car is SOO much better its crazy. Night and day difference. Before idle was completely fucked, and it died on me and what not. Now its running like a champ. Check out his settings and go from there is what I'd suggest.

I have rx7 550 low ohms and I also have no clue what my dead times are. My ecu file originated from stein's so I'm assuming my shit is wrong as well.

Ahh, maybe I can help with this one... ECU file attached as I took some time today to add the values into the dead time correction. I suspect that this could have been my problem all along and that my injector that I thought was damaged could actually just been malprogrammed (sp) because the wrong values were in the field. Not that I am complaining.... there are just soo many values to deal with and this one seems to have slipped by.

Anyhow, give this a shot and let's see what happens. I will try to get this rolling as soon as my injectors come back from the shop. Excited as hell to see what will happen! :)

Cheers,
Prospero
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my current map

For sure. Mine was supplied in the original base map way back in the beginning of time for that area so I don't know where it came from. Australia I guess.

I'm totally willing to blow away my whole map and all the tuning that I have done on this map so far to start with a clean slate. I think that I am continuing to mask inherent problems.

I posted a map a few moments ago, the idle and corrections tabs were copied from Vlad's posting. I assume that they are based off of Y8S but don't know for sure. Tho thinking about what the dead time values are controlling it makes sense that our maps and fueling were all sorts of fucked since this really is controlling the injectors. Glad that Y8S pointed this out since we otherwise would have been chasing ghosts into the abyss!

Props to Y8S for pointing this one out and hope collectively we will make one good master map!

Cheers,
Prospero

Prospero, where did you get those values? They are way higher than y8s's for example. Like three times as high across the board. I'm not saying they are wrong but seemed way up there.

They came from Travis's second post with the excel spreadsheet. I plugged them in based on voltage and went table for table. The lowest voltages did not take the full numbers... I tried to input the decimal but when I applied them it all reverted to 0...

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Nvm, I found my shit here. Injector-Rehab - Fuel injector cleaning, flow testing, and complete blueprinting service.

Needless to say, mine was WAYYYY off.

That's what I was wondering. I looked at the spreadsheet and didn't figure they were direct input values due to the fact that they were so high. I'll try it and see.

Ooooooohhhh, please....please lemme know how it works for you! I really hope this is the resolution to my high boost fueling issues and hopefully also a relation to my shitty idle. Vlad's description was spot on to what I have going on too!

Just got done watching "knowing" and I figure that the figures travis posed will predict the cure to our problems.... shit or is it the end of the world (EE)

Time for bed!

Cheers,
Matt

So how do dead times being off affect overall fueling. My deadtimes were off considerably. Like 14v was 1.5 and in reality its like 0.64. Would afr targets still compensate my map? Would the deadtime being input too high cause higher fuel consumption?

good article that explains it:
Yaw Power Products / Injector Dead Times Explained

The deatschwerks injectors do in fact have high dead times from what I remember travis learning.

That was one of the dumbest movies I've ever seen:giggle:

Yea somehow those got into the NB and NBB maps, while the NA maps had the right dead times.

In reality it may not effect much at all because the voltage shouldn't fluctuate that much, and cranking fuel does not get trimmed by injector dead time. Expect to do a little retuning though.

I'm still waiting on injectors... but wondering if the dead time corrections made a difference for anyone?

Just burning with desire to know! :)

Oh and how about the new firmware? Anyone have any comments about it? So far it looks good with the little bit of playing I have done tonight!

Cheers,
Prospero

I changed my map but I'm not going to be driving my car until the end of next week. The turbine flange on my manifold warped a little. 0.015" gap is causing me not to spool until 4400rpm. A full 1krpm later that pre-leak. I'm going to take it off on Sat and resurface it on my bench sander. On Sun I plan to test out the updated opening times.

You still need a map stein? I didn't notice your edit :makeout:

Yes please. My shit doesn't idle, still has lean tip in and about pukes on itself if I turn on the AC. Other than that, it runs great off idle. Well, except for that part where you are going from off throttle to on throttle going down the road and it goes full lean every time you touch the gas.

Only thing on mine i can complain about is it pops and shit on decel even with over run fuel cut on and configured. It is working because I go full lean like it should and has auto tuned my fual map to 0 in the entire top row of cells. Still fuel getting in somehow to cause lame ricer popping.

Never had this issue with MS's overrun fuel cut.

Travis, would you mind sharing this map with me since I am in the exact same boat as Stein. Also curious about what you are doing in the software to correct it... trying to learn as I go! :)

God willing injectors will be here in a couple of hours and then tonight I will drive the car and be happy. :bowrofl:

Cheers,

M@

pops or burbles? you can pretty much zero out your 0kPa row safely.

Mine started doing this after the messed up dates showed up. It doesn't quite pop but it surges a bit and you can watch the AFR move around instead of staying full lean. Once I get the LC-1 in I'm going try going back to 1.0N and see if it goes away.

wow, finally... got a chance to log some time in the Miata today! Installed my injectors and resolved many of my little issues that were really bugging me.

Anyhow, I am using Travis's map with some alterations to make it work on my configuration... Things like VVT and the AEM UEGO which are not in his car.

For some reason there are a few problems really bugging me... on travis's map my idle is 1100-1500 RPM all the time; but worse yet is when I start the car it revs to 4k and takes a good 30 seconds to calm down to 2k or so. After it is calm, when I introduce a load from the power steering the RPMs go right up to 3500 or higher. Noticed that in my gauges window my ilde is 70? I have tried to adjust this out but do not have any luck in doing so.

Also have the sputtering under boost. Like Stein has said, I am gonna go out and adjust my asynch when the weather is cooler... it's hot as hell today.

Well, in any event, I am gonna post my map and see if there is something obvious that I am missing here... My eyes are tired and I am feeverish from a viral infection; so the brain is not working well and I really could use another pair of eyes to check me on these settings...

Oh, how can I tell if my VVT is set up right and could this be causing me problems when I use someone elses map that is known good?

Thanks all!
Cheers and off to take feever reducing drugs...

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If I'm looking at the right file, a couple of things look suspect under the idle tab:

- open loop extra effort after cranking set to 20 seems high

-closed loop extra rpm for elec load set to 850rpm seems very high

- the overall control min. value is set 70, maybe reduce this - mine's set to 10.

If you haven't already done so you also need to set up the open loop base idle value.

before changing idle settings, verify your throttle body idle screw is set properly. if its different than his, it might make the difference.

also, the simplest way to rule out the VVT is to unplug the connector at the top front of the valve cover.

Would it be safe to say that if the car idled perfectly with the factory ECU that the screw is right?

Also, gonna pull the plug on the VVT now and see how it goes.

Thanks for the help and cheers!
M@

maybe, maybe not. with the ISC valve closed, you want it to idle about 750.

I'm going to give this a crack for my 460cc Denso injectors (195500-2010):

http://tim.kent.googlepages.com/2009...-dead-time.png

Look reasonable?

Also, those with 1999 models, what dwell are you running on the standard ignition setup? Just the default of 2100?

Cheers

Not sure on dwell for injectors. Ignition dwell seems short though. I would try 3000us anyways.

This thread looks interesting:
'99/'00 coilpack measurements / dwell - MX-5 Miata Forum

Your figure of 3000 slots right in between 4 and 5 amps @ 14V, so it looks like it could be the go. I wonder if the thing would overheat if you aimed for 5 amps all the time (say 3400).

Nah, it should be fine at 3400.

Does anyone have a solid NB map no turbo on stock injectors running 101kpa maximum? I'm looking for a good solid map for the NB's to start people out on.

Thanks!

+1 Please, please what he said.

Ihave been fighting mine for a while. figured the IRTB's were giving me fits. so I pulled them and have the OEM manifold on.

So my setup
01 motor wioth 99 injectors and 96 fuel rail and FPR
JR CAI
RB Header, TP and exhaust
lighter 1.6 AL fly and clutch

were you able to get any?

were you able to get any?

Lol, holy necro batman