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j_man 04-16-2009 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by Rafa (Post 396712)
Can one use the one that FM sells?

Nope. I have that adapter (from the Knocksense times) too but it doesn't fit the Saturn sensor thread.


Originally Posted by Rafa (Post 396712)
BTW j_man; I stand corrected on the knock sensor. I just reread the thread on m.net about the subject. This is the second time you suggest it to me and I simply forgot. That's what old age does to me!

No worries. I forgot that I've told you too :)

j_man 04-16-2009 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by projectmx (Post 396772)
so it either goes on a particular mount or it goes on the engine block... i need to find a miata i can look at

I just used the engine mount bolt which is easiest to access from the passenger side wheel well. Just remove the wheel and take a look - one of the bolts is visible right there.

Rafa 04-16-2009 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by j_man (Post 396848)
Nope. I have that adapter (from the Knocksense times) too but it doesn't fit the Saturn sensor thread.

Then I'm screwed because that's the one currently in my block.

What are my options? I read you went to some hardware store and bought something and had it welded. I just didn't understand what.

To the op: sorry for threadjacking

edit: I just saw your post. You mention a nut. (I guess I'm the nut in this instance).

j_man 04-16-2009 10:14 PM


Originally Posted by Rafa (Post 396879)
Then I'm screwed because that's the one currently in my block.

What are my options? I read you went to some hardware store and bought something and had it welded. I just didn't understand what.

To the op: sorry for threadjacking

edit: I just saw your post. You mention a nut. (I guess I'm the nut in this instance).

You buy a 10x1.5mm nut from your local hardware store (the Saturn sensor, which is threaded, can bolt in that nut). Then you get your original motor mount bolt along with the new nut to a someone with a welder and tell him to weld the nut to the bolt head. And you end up with a mounting block for your new sensor :)

Rafa 04-17-2009 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by j_man (Post 396946)
You buy a 10x1.5mm nut from your local hardware store (the Saturn sensor, which is threaded, can bolt in that nut). Then you get your original motor mount bolt along with the new nut to a someone with a welder and tell him to weld the nut to the bolt head. And you end up with a mounting block for your new sensor :)

Many thanks! :bowdown:

projectmx 04-17-2009 10:51 AM

will that work for an engine mounted transverse like in the AWD and FWD car? Which motor mount do you hook this on to?

Rafa 04-17-2009 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by projectmx (Post 397152)
will that work for an engine mounted transverse like in the AWD and FWD car? Which motor mount do you hook this on to?

Project; I don't see why not. j_man makes his suggestion about which side in our motors just based on the one that's easier to get to. Just look at your engine and hook it to the one that's easier to reach.

projectmx 04-20-2009 12:27 PM

my only engine mount that attatches to the block is the passenger side mount, i'm kind of confused how attaching the knock sensor to the mount will allow it to read knock inside the engine doesn't the end of the sensor actually have to touch the block?

GIGAPUNK 12-16-2009 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by TurboTim (Post 395945)
I am using a flat response (bosch?) knock sensor on my aem ems and it does work. Not ideal due to the low voltage but it does work.

It's a leftover from my link ecu days.

I'm currently running the same exact set up. I believe the Links Bosch sensor is the same pn as used on the buick grand national among many others. On the Link the signal was beautiful and precise, on the few data logs I got b4 the i/o went out.

Now on the AEM EMS I've yet to see a signal above 0.99 volts. I've even started up the logging and started banging stuff with a hammer just to see what would get recorded. Still nothing above 0.99 volts. I thought this was a 5v sensor? Right now I just consider anything above 0.3v is probably real knock, and I've got my timing WAY retarded.

I'd like to have a knock function that I actually have faith in. Would an external bandpass filter help to get the old Link/Bosch/FM sensor to log like it used to on the Link? Is there any advantage to buying the "7 khz sensor from the GM Saturn, part number 21021879"? Should I rescale the sensor table in the AEM EMS from a 5v to a 1v?

I saw that 'JasonC SBB' mentioned a bandpass circuit, does anyone have the link?

TurboTim 12-16-2009 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by GIGAPUNK (Post 496400)
I'm currently running the same exact set up. I believe the Links Bosch sensor is the same pn as used on the buick grand national among many others. On the Link the signal was beautiful and precise, on the few data logs I got b4 the i/o went out.

Now on the AEM EMS I've yet to see a signal above 0.99 volts. I've even started up the logging and started banging stuff with a hammer just to see what would get recorded. Still nothing above 0.99 volts. I thought this was a 5v sensor? Right now I just consider anything above 0.3v is probably real knock, and I've got my timing WAY retarded.

I'd like to have a knock function that I actually have faith in. Would an external bandpass filter help to get the old Link/Bosch/FM sensor to log like it used to on the Link? Is there any advantage to buying the "7 khz sensor from the GM Saturn, part number 21021879"? Should I rescale the sensor table in the AEM EMS from a 5v to a 1v?

I saw that 'JasonC SBB' mentioned a bandpass circuit, does anyone have the link?

I didn't know you could rescale the sensor table to 1V, if so that's a good idea. It's not a 5v sensor. I think my cal table has knock defined around .3volts at normal rpm. I took a quick look at it before emailing it to Sav. But just sitting there idling the volts are very very low.

GIGAPUNK 12-16-2009 04:08 PM

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I'm going to give this a try.

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I havn't been able to rescale the volt axis from 5v to 1v, but using auto expand, with knock volts in its own plot in AEMLog works just as well for viewing at least.

j_man 12-16-2009 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by GIGAPUNK (Post 496400)
I saw that 'JasonC SBB' mentioned a bandpass circuit, does anyone have the link?

I just ran a search and found it here:
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t31284/



GIGAPUNK 12-16-2009 06:21 PM

thanx jman!


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