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Midtenn 03-24-2014 01:05 PM

VVT MAP
 
I'm getting close to starting up my VVT swap for the first time. Does anyone have a good MAP for the VVT duty cycle they could share for an NA setup?

FAB 03-27-2014 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by Midtenn (Post 1114522)
I'm getting close to starting up my VVT swap for the first time. Does anyone have a good MAP for the VVT duty cycle they could share for an NA setup?

I'll pull out my laptop and shoot one over to you shortly.

FAB 03-27-2014 02:59 PM

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This is the requested degree for closed loop. Here are a couple of options for you. But generally speaking there isn't much that goes into VVT tuning between a boosted setup vs NA. Most tuners find that the same settings seem to work great for both.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1395946767
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1395946767

Savington 03-28-2014 03:50 AM

Have you actually used either of those maps? I've actually tuned a full-power N/A VVT target table, and it looks nothing like either of the maps you've posted. I suspect both of those maps will also cause low-speed driveability issues, since you have requested significant amounts of cam advance at low vacuum (including in overrun).

Savington 03-28-2014 03:57 AM

Midtenn, this thread has all the info you want.

the thread where Savington asks a lot of really, really dumb questions. - Miata Turbo Forum - Turbo Kitten is watching you test compression.

My final settings are in post 133. Most of the settings are the same between Series 1 and EMS-4, but a few important ones are different. You'll need to tweak some stuff based on how many teeth your trigger wheel has and how you want the target advance map to display things. For the EMS-4, you'll need to invert the VVC#1 error table if you want to use the Series 1 target maps (47 = full retard, 0 = full advance), or you'll want to invert the VVC#1 output if you want to go the other way (0=full retard, 47 = full advance). I typically just invert the error table and use 47 as full retard.

For the base duty table, every car is a little different, but 30% should get you in the ballpark. If you find that the car isn't hitting VVC targets or if it's constantly drifting back towards full retard, you may need to raise it a few percent across the board.

If you're using our 12+1 trigger wheel, shoot me a PM and I'll provide some more detailed settings specific to the EMS-4 and our wheel. It's worth mentioning that my EMS-4 PnP basemaps have all of this stuff set up properly out of the box :)

FAB 03-28-2014 12:38 PM

One of those is actually a map from a customer claiming you were the one who tuned it. The other is mine which produces great low end power and near factory drivability. I'm glad at some point you spent some time on a dyno and sorted things out though.

Savington 03-28-2014 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by FAB (Post 1115951)
One of those is actually a map from a customer claiming you were the one who tuned it.

That's interesting, since as I said above, my VVT settings are set up so that 47* is full retard and 0* is full advance. I've never done it any other way. Your customer must be mistaken :)

Dunning Kruger Affect 03-28-2014 01:32 PM

Also lol @ Load in PSI.

Savington 03-28-2014 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect (Post 1115993)
Also lol @ Load in PSI.

Different strokes for different folks. My brain works in KPAa/Fahrenheit/gasoline AFR, so that's how I tune. Some people like PSIg/Centigrade/Lambda. The Japanese like their KG/CM^2 gauges which are almost BAR but not quite. I met a tuner this week at AEM while I was getting factory training on the new Infinity EMS systems who says he prefers everything in BAR and lambda.

Tomayto, tomahto.

FAB 03-28-2014 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1115982)
That's interesting, since as I said above, my VVT settings are set up so that 47* is full retard and 0* is full advance. I've never done it any other way. Your customer must be mistaken :)

Entirely possible.

FAB 03-28-2014 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1115995)
Different strokes for different folks. My brain works in KPAa/Fahrenheit/gasoline AFR, so that's how I tune. Some people like PSIg/Centigrade/Lambda. The Japanese like their KG/CM^2 gauges which are almost BAR but not quite. I met a tuner this week at AEM while I was getting factory training on the new Infinity EMS systems who says he prefers everything in BAR and lambda.

Tomayto, tomahto.

Devin Pierce?

abenson100 04-25-2014 02:00 PM

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I was under the impression that for a turbo with VVT gains could be made having more variation in your map for a given rev and load. using the overlap and lack there of to increase turbo efficiency.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1398448859

Downmented 10-14-2016 10:56 AM

Anyone have a non-vvt basemap :)

psyber_0ptix 10-14-2016 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by Downmented (Post 1367562)
Anyone have a non-vvt basemap :)

If you don't have VVT, you won't need to populate VVT solenoid duty cycles

Downmented 10-14-2016 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by psyber_0ptix (Post 1367567)
If you don't have VVT, you won't need to populate VVT solenoid duty cycles

No, but as stated, i do need a non vvt basemap for ems4..

psyber_0ptix 10-14-2016 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by Downmented (Post 1367577)
No, but as stated, i do need a non vvt basemap for ems4..


But this thread is about vvt duty cycle map. Can always ask the vendor you bought your EMS from. Thats some easy support, shouldn't be too difficult.

psyber_0ptix 10-14-2016 11:51 AM

Alternatively you can just interpolate timing and VE tables from a megasquirt basemap which is readily available. Just have to adjust your trigger inputs to your setup. Then have your tuner make it right.


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