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Brendan B 08-16-2020 09:56 PM

2003 NB2 build uber BP turbo swap
 
For those of you who might remember me, I introduced myself sometime back in the meet and greet. Aside from my previous car, a 2013 mazdaspeed3, I have little experience working on cars. Not too long after purchasing my first miata and joining miataturbo, I ended up meeting up with Mat Russell from the forum. I bought a couple parts from him at first. Then he had the great idea of selling me his BP uber motor because he had his mind set on a K24A2. He talked me into buying his motor and that's how this story begins. I am going to be running his motor paired with a BMW ZF5 and getreg diff. I had purchased one ZF5 transmission already to find out that the gearbox is missing a number of bolts on the inside and a couple on the outside. I may at some point later time try to repair this, but rather than waste time with that now, I am in the process of sourcing another ZF5 from car-part. I am pretty much replacing and rebuilding or upgrading everything on this car. There are a number of parts and systems I am removing. Since I plan to put a custom cage in this car, I understand that this car will be primarily used for track purposes. However, I wouldn't be surprised if I street this with a racing helmet. I still have a lot of work to do, but I will post some pics of what I have going on. If you can over any advice or help, don't hesitate to comment. thanks
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Brendan B 08-25-2020 02:34 AM

some random work I did today. Since I had cut out a huge chunk of the trunk, I riveted an aluminum panel in then decided to ziptie the rest. My original plan was rivets all around, but I didn’t like how I couldn’t get the aluminum as taught as I would like. So, i basically seamed in the rest of the aluminum with ziptires. I know it looks a bit unorthodox, but once I fill in the holes with fiberglass, I think it will be fine.

I also finished up getting my air dam mounted and test fitted everything with the headlights (that I had restored from padlock).

Then I had purchased some stainless steel fencing from Pegasus and cut out sections to cover the holes in my hood. I then epoxied them on and letting it dry over night. I used my old bushings for some weight (foreshadowing what’s to come).

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Brendan B 08-25-2020 11:05 AM

Grid was a success installing. Have a little of cleaning to do around edges, but it should be GTG
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boileralum 08-25-2020 11:08 AM

Is that bedliner all over the place?

Brendan B 08-25-2020 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by boileralum (Post 1579664)
Is that bedliner all over the place?

Yeah, originally, I stripped off all the OEM sound deadening, seam seals, and unwanted metal. then I covered all holes not needed with metal tape. Laid down a couple layers of lizard skin sound deadner then used some non-toxic bully bed liner. I did all this before I realized I was going to cage the car though, so hopefully that won't be too much of an issue when the time comes.

HarryB 08-25-2020 12:18 PM

Wonder how much weight came with it.

FatKao 08-25-2020 12:31 PM

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Bruh

aidandj 08-25-2020 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by FatKao (Post 1579682)
Bruh


Brendan B 08-25-2020 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by FatKao (Post 1579682)
Bruh

That is a temporary hold before I put to contact bolt in lol. Obviously not going to leave the zipties on. This is my first time wiring a car though so if you can give me any tips, it would be appreciated. I have my fuseable links stacked in alternate directions. It conserves space this way, but not entirely sure if its anywhere near to being ideal.

Brendan B 08-25-2020 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by HarryB (Post 1579676)
Wonder how much weight came with it.

not sure tbh. Prior to laying this stuff down, I bought some sound deadening adhesive mats. If I were to lay the mats down throughout the interior, it seemed like that method was going to be much heavier so I opted for lizard skin and bed liner as opposed to the sound deadening mats and carpet.

FatKao 08-25-2020 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by Brendan B (Post 1579688)
That is a temporary hold before I put to contact bolt in lol. Obviously not going to leave the zipties on. This is my first time wiring a car though so if you can give me any tips, it would be appreciated. I have my fuseable links stacked in alternate directions. It conserves space this way, but not entirely sure if its anywhere near to being ideal.

There is a wide range of effort/spend you can do on electrical. This is what I considered my minimum effort.

The thing that sticks out is that it doesn't look like there was really a solid plan before getting started. I'd suggest consolidating your fuses and relays into something designed for the appropriate amount of both. Cooper Bussman 15300 series is my favorite. Not terribly expensive and really keeps things organized. fuses/relays are on the 'switch' side of the panel so you can easily replace blown stuff, seals up nicely. You'll need Metri-Pak crimp tools/hardware for it which is the biggest bummer. https://www.waytekwire.com/ was who I got my stuff from.

Invest in some colored automotive grade wire. Wirebarn was who I used because they sell these sweet packs at resonableish prices. https://www.wirebarn.com/11-Pack-of-...ray_p_549.html Make sure you make a wiring diagram with wire colors. God help you trying to remember what you did eons ago when everything is only 3 colors.

Crimped on spades look good. I used bus bars for my common +12v circuits. Not as space/weight efficient but it makes it very clear what's going on when you look at it.

The wire gauges seem a bit off to me. You have what looks like all the +12Vs (the part I snipped) riveted together, then some of those go into your fuses, others don't. I have to make a fair bit of assumptions here to come to that so it may or may not be corect. What is the gauge of those wires and the fuse protection? Which will turn to slag first? Trace upstream towards the battery for every wire, the gauge of the wire must be able to handle more current than the fuse you run into on your way to the battery. Nothing is more important than that.

Can't find any pics of it actually finished, but here was an in-progress of the panel that's in my car. There are a bunch of things I'd change now, but it's been working fine for ~4 years.
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Brendan B 08-25-2020 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by FatKao (Post 1579698)
There is a wide range of effort/spend you can do on electrical. This is what I considered my minimum effort.

The thing that sticks out is that it doesn't look like there was really a solid plan before getting started. I'd suggest consolidating your fuses and relays into something designed for the appropriate amount of both. Cooper Bussman 15300 series is my favorite. Not terribly expensive and really keeps things organized. fuses/relays are on the 'switch' side of the panel so you can easily replace blown stuff, seals up nicely. You'll need Metri-Pak crimp tools/hardware for it which is the biggest bummer. https://www.waytekwire.com/ was who I got my stuff from.

Invest in some colored automotive grade wire. Wirebarn was who I used because they sell these sweet packs at resonableish prices. https://www.wirebarn.com/11-Pack-of-...ray_p_549.html Make sure you make a wiring diagram with wire colors. God help you trying to remember what you did eons ago when everything is only 3 colors.

Crimped on spades look good. I used bus bars for my common +12v circuits. Not as space/weight efficient but it makes it very clear what's going on when you look at it.

The wire gauges seem a bit off to me. You have what looks like all the +12Vs (the part I snipped) riveted together, then some of those go into your fuses, others don't. I have to make a fair bit of assumptions here to come to that so it may or may not be corect. What is the gauge of those wires and the fuse protection? Which will turn to slag first? Trace upstream towards the battery for every wire, the gauge of the wire must be able to handle more current than the fuse you run into on your way to the battery. Nothing is more important than that.

fatkao, thank you so much for this helpful post. I wired this up using mellens website for the wiring. I printed out each page and crossed off each and every wire/system I wasn’t intending to use. So yeah, it’s basically a derivative of the oem wiring. I’m probably going to get torn apart for this, but I used harbor freight wires. When it came to planing everything on the ABS plastic, I tried to copy some videos I saw on YouTube of the pretty wiring boards with all the relaying on one side. Sounds like I may need to start from scratch, but that’s perfectly fine. I will go through each and every sentence of your post and implement the changes. Thanks

Brendan B 08-27-2020 04:35 AM

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Mounting up my polycarbonate windshield from 5 star bodies. Realizing this windshield is going to need to be "trimmed" quite a bit before it will fit.
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Kmiata flywheel installed with ARP flywheel bolts torque to 95-ft-lbs. Used supplied ARP bolt lube
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ACT 6 puck sprung clutch disk with clutch alignment tool. I used electric tape on tool-tip to get a more snug fit.
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v8roadster getrag diff mounts. I burned the rubber off you mounts and repainted them black. As you can see in the photo, I didn't have a whole lot of room to work thread-wise. I had polyeurathane diff mounts, but I can barely get the mount to fit. with the center bolt, I just did a thick stainless steal fender washer behind it. Behind the the 2x 12mm nuts, I did a nylon washer behind it. Hopefully that will cut down on some of the rattling. No idea if it's going to do anything or IF that's needed
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zf5 sitting all pretty on rear trans mount. This is the bad trans. I should have another functioning ZF5 by friday hopefully. When I did my lizard skin a long time back, I did the trans tunnel with the stock drivetrain in it. Luckily, It never stuck well to the tunnel. In the process of slowly flaking it off
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ZF5 mounted up.
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Prior to clutch install. Nothing all that exciting but a cool shot of the turbo
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Installed my battery. Used a 3D printed mount from padlock which works fabulously. This was my first time using rivnuts. I didn't have the tool and there was a bit of a learning curve on getting them to work manually.
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Wing prior to vinyl!
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Looking on point with vinyl and end plates.
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Soaking my suspension bolts in evapo rust remover. Have had good experiences with this stuff so far and I am happy it's considered a "non-toxic"
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Rear diff and subframe!! anyone mind telling me what this hose is for?
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Kmiata driveshaft vs carbon fiber driveshaft (19.8 lbs vs 7.8 lbs). Need to install the flange yokes from the kmiata driveshaft to the CF one. If you or anyone you know might be interested in buying this axle without the flange yokes, let me know, and I'll workout a great deal for you.
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ACT 6-puck clutch installed. Pressure plate hex bolts torqued to 16 ft-lbs and used blue loctight
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Driverside kmiata mount. Feel I was on-point with my fitment because it followed contour to a T. I used a light coat of por15 rust prevention these mounts before I decide to paint or weld in.
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transmission mount all square away and searching for new zf5 in route
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passenger side kmiata mount.
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Also, decided to pull gas tank. I removed the preexisting mounts which weren’t exactly stellar. After I had the fuel tank out, this gave me the idea of lowering the gas tank (not low enough to have to worry about about it coming in contact with drivehaft but a couple to few inches above.
I remade better mounts and slotted the tank so I could slide the tank toward the front of the car quite a bit too.
Figured this would help lower center of gavity.

HarryB 08-27-2020 10:00 AM

Just a bit confused with the bedliner/sound deadening/carpet comments, as you have gone to great lengths to remove weight and it its a track only car. I would just use the koolmat as suggested by Emilio, and also install some heatshielding on the underside of the transmission tunnel. Other than that, looks good!

emilio700 08-27-2020 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by Brendan B (Post 1579876)
Mounting up my polycarbonate windshield from 5 star bodies. Realizing this windshield is going to need to be "trimmed" quite a bit before it will fit.

That's a .250 NC windshield. Not sure the curvature will be right for an NA/NB frame. We offer a .187 NA/NB windshield that's lighter, hard coated scratch-resistant for $50 less. Just FYI for anyone else thinking about a polycarbonate windshield.

Brendan B 08-27-2020 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by HarryB (Post 1579890)
Just a bit confused with the bedliner/sound deadening/carpet comments, as you have gone to great lengths to remove weight and it its a track only car. I would just use the koolmat as suggested by Emilio, and also install some heatshielding on the underside of the transmission tunnel. Other than that, looks good!

Hello Harry. I plan to use the car at the track but would also love to drive this on the street too. Before, with the stock engine, the car was so loud that if I had a passenger in the car, we had to yell to hear each other. I installed the lizard skin and be liner a while back before realizing I would want a cage later. Would you recommend removing the lizard skin and bed liner and going with the koolmat mat instead to cut down on weight? thanks

Brendan B 08-27-2020 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1579899)
That's a .250 NC windshield. Not sure the curvature will be right for an NA/NB frame. We offer a .187 NA/NB windshield that's lighter, hard coated scratch-resistant for $50 less. Just FYI for anyone else thinking about a polycarbonate windshield.

Yeah, when I contacted fivestar bodies, they made it sound like they had a polycarbonate windshield specific to fit the size of my car. They mailed me the NC one then when I contacted them, they told me this was their only windshield and it would fit if I trim it (which was a bit annoying). They also recommended using a cardboard box to mock up a sample then to superimpose it to their windshield to trim. If I would have known that before about you carrying them, I would have hit you up!

HarryB 08-28-2020 12:20 PM

Fair enough; the koolmat would not do much about noise since it partially covers the driver side, but is all you need in terms of heatshielding. I can be paranoid about weight on a track only car, and given the amount of cutting the tub, polycarbonate windows and all, I thought that was the sole purpose. I would not dare driving something like that on street.

Also, I would ask at least for a partial refund for the windshield (most probably I would return it and ask for a full refund).

matrussell122 08-28-2020 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by Brendan B (Post 1579912)
Hello Harry. I plan to use the car at the track but would also love to drive this on the street too. Before, with the stock engine, the car was so loud that if I had a passenger in the car, we had to yell to hear each other. I installed the lizard skin and be liner a while back before realizing I would want a cage later. Would you recommend removing the lizard skin and bed liner and going with the koolmat mat instead to cut down on weight? thanks

If it were me i would remove all of the bedliner and run koolmat. With fiberglass doors and roof the thing isnt going to be quiet.

Brendan B 08-29-2020 01:45 AM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1579899)
That's a .250 NC windshield. Not sure the curvature will be right for an NA/NB frame. We offer a .187 NA/NB windshield that's lighter, hard coated scratch-resistant for $50 less. Just FYI for anyone else thinking about a polycarbonate windshield.


Originally Posted by HarryB (Post 1579960)
I would ask at least for a partial refund for the windshield (most probably I would return it and ask for a full refund).

I'm in the process of initiating the return process for this windshield and hoping they'll let me return it since it's been about 6 months since I purchased it. If I can get this return to go through, definitely going to be purchasing your windshield off supermiata


Originally Posted by matrussell122 (Post 1579962)
If it were me i would remove all of the bedliner and run koolmat. With fiberglass doors and roof the thing isnt going to be quiet.

Mat, Still debating what to do with this. I still have the stock doors and was debating using the stock doors on the street with fiberglass on the track, but still in the process of learning and figuring out what would be best given my needs.


Originally Posted by HarryB (Post 1579960)
I would not dare driving something like that on street.

Harry, Is your reasoning for not daring to drive something like this on the street due only to a safety aspect? If the car is caged right and set up with 6 pt harnesses correctly and a racing helmet is worn, would that change your mind about streeting the vehicle?

Padlock 11-11-2020 03:50 PM

any updates on the ubermiata?

Brendan B 11-13-2020 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by Padlock (Post 1585696)
any updates on the ubermiata?

Nice of you to ask and good question! Actually, there is a fair deal going on with the Ubermiata and it's gradually morphing into the ultimate racecar. I think I'll split this into main categories with numbers to keep it organized. I try to cover all the basics but there will probably be something I'm missing

I'll work on getting Pictures up soon.

Brakes:

1. Removed E-brake and selling my new centric sport calibers.

2. Replacing with goodwin's str-21's and then use V8R's cap/rotor assembly because it's two pounds lighter per corner than the 1 piece rotor. (waiting back for goodwin to notify me if this is doable)

3. Thinking of replacing brake lines with some stainless steel hardline but I need to investigate this a little further

4. Ordered singular brake duck set with high temp polyurethane hose

5. Ordered a pair of aircraft spruce 3" brake ducts that I will insert into my air dam

6. Need to return singular brake ducts because they wont work with my keisler drop spindles. They had singular brake ducts made specifically for the drop spindals, but low and behold, they are discontinuing those and everyone is sold out of them 🙄 so going to need to figure out a good way to attach my brake hoses now .

7. have a new master cylinder I need to put in that came with my kmiata kit


Fuel system:

1. Still waiting on my brake flange tool from summit that has been back ordered for some time!

2. Received my imperial 1/2" tube bender

3. Going to go with 1/2" stainless steel tubing throughout car

4. Have bought mostly russell and some fragolia fittings to adapt

5. Bought ethanol sensor

6. Bought radium fuel damper

7. Bought radium fuel pressure regulator and pressure guage

8. Bought fuelab micronfilter

9. Drilled fuel out OEM fuel tank apparatus

10. Installed terminals into fuel tank (insulated, of course)11. Modified fuel tank and shifted it down a little and forward

11. Bought fire retardant covers for all fuel/oil lines

12. Looking into buying peguses fuel pickup net

13. Bought DW400 fuel pump and adapted that for tubing


Suspension (big changes):
1. Sold my tein flex z coilers

2. Bought keisler automation drop spindles (with ABS capability) all around.

3. Used all my money I made on my Teins to buy Xida Ace's

4. I finished powdercoating my OEM control arms and replacing all my bushings with the polyurethane and the SADfab bronze retro kit with baurer extended ball joints and supermiata upper ball joints.

5. Decided once my control arms looked all pretty that I would sell them. I sold them and used a good chuck of the proceeds to fund V8R pro-series control arms. I was going to go with the x-lite uppers but after reading about them on MT, they didn't sound so hot. So.. Sticking with pro-series all around.

6. Talked at great lengths to Ed at 949 racing and he recommended 800/500 for my spring rates given the weight of my vehicle and my aero. He mentioned I may need to increase my spring rates down the road.

7. shouldn't have sold my Bauer extended ball joints because everyone (that I know of) is sold out of them now. Anyone know where I can find?

8. Sent v8r stage 2 axles into driveshaft shop to have rings put on for future ABS install



Turbo:

1. Going to go with stainless steel tubing for my water lines and oil feed line.

2. I have been buying fittings to adapt 3/8" tubing for my oil feed and 1/2" tubing for my coolant lines.

3. Reordered torx screws for wastegate bracket since mine has gone missing

4. Need to dig though other MT builds with similar setups to mine to figure out how I want to route water lines.

5. Need to dig through other MT builds with similar setups to mine to figure out how I want to hook up EBCS





Aero:

1. Sold my 9LR aluminum foil wang from my medium downforce kit

2. Bought a 64"carbon fiber wang with endplates

3. Bought 9LR plastic splitter ramps by Morlind engineering

4. Waiting for 9LR thanksgiving sales so I can buy the 64" dual element for my wang.

5: Bought https://www.jegs.com/i/Harwood/487/1...g+Confirmation to secure airdam to splitter

6. Having some custom mounts made from 9LR for my pylons to have them attach to chassis OEM rails. Since I removed so much metal from my trunk, I don’t feel like that's a good connection now for the pylons



Exhaust/intercooler:

1. I was able to get in touch with ABE from artech and while he told me he no longer welds, that he had access to the parts I would need for welding my custom downpipe and exhaust.

2. I am going with a magnaflow 5x11x22 muffler since that seemed to be the muffler of choice on MT. He is sending me extra flanges so I can make the muffler swappable if desired

3. He also had 2.5" intercooler piping kit, so I picked up that also.

4. Looking into welding all my intercooler piping and using vibrant flanges so I don’t have to deal with couplers



Electrical:

1. I haven't spent a ton of time on this, but I did order new and better wires than I had before.



Random:

1. My QA1 carbon fiber driveshaft fits perfectly

2. I traded in my 5starbodies lexan windshield in for the 949 racing windshield that fits.

3. Looking at ordering some Lexan side windows from plasticsforperformance

4. Looking into wrapping the whole car in 2080 3m film

5. Relocated gas fillup to rear of car and welding OEM fuel door in it's stock position for wrap job.

6. Been talking to Alex Todd and working on getting used ABS components that I need

7. Thinking of fixing my ugly looking trunk. Anyone have suggestions on how I should fix it?

8. Selling my sparco sprint seats and looking at going with some custom kirkey race seats to lighten things up a bit but don't know yet for sure

Brendan B 11-13-2020 05:22 PM

Random photos. I'll get more later
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SADfab control arms that I sold for v8r pro-series arms
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New 64" carbon wang with new fuel location
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Random Weight reduction (you can tell i'm OCD)
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Tone rings Installed

Brendan B 11-13-2020 05:28 PM

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boileralum 11-13-2020 05:52 PM

WTF is going on with those fittings and the Ethanol sensor?

Brendan B 11-13-2020 05:56 PM

To route 1/2" od stainless tubing. Since I was reading that I don't want to limit my fuel return line, I'm doing something similar that I saw sadfab doing. I know I still need to get fittings sorted and I'm working on it.

boileralum 11-13-2020 06:10 PM

Wut?

Brendan B 11-13-2020 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by boileralum (Post 1585959)
Wut?

I was reading on MT that the ethanol sensor is the limiting reagent of flow and that it could cause issues in a true return system in more or less words. So trying to prevent that if possible.

boileralum 11-13-2020 06:19 PM

So what are you doing, exactly? Are you trying to split the flow of the return line in hopes that some will go through the sensor and the rest not? You do realize that like most other things, fluids will take the path of least resistance, and you aren't going ot get much flow through that sensor, right? And who cares about flow on the return line? lower pressure gas going back into the trunk is not an issue.

matrussell122 11-13-2020 06:19 PM

use more words not less

Fireindc 11-13-2020 06:22 PM

I think he's saying that there's a flow limit on that small ethanol sensor, so he's made a bypass of sorts. The ethanol sensor should still get plenty of fuel to get an accurate eth % rating, but will flow as much as possible with the bypass.

Now, it was my understanding that if you are running the ethanol sensor on the return, that flow limitations are not a concern, but I don't know what the rest of the fuel system is like.

Edit: Looks like boileralum beat me to it.

Brendan B 11-13-2020 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by boileralum (Post 1585961)
So what are you doing, exactly? Are you trying to split the flow of the return line in hopes that some will go through the sensor and the rest not? You do realize that like most other things, fluids will take the path of least resistance, and you aren't going ot get much flow through that sensor, right? And who cares about flow on the return line? lower pressure gas going back into the trunk is not an issue.

yes, that’s exactly what I was thinking by splitting the flow- to not cause a backup at the sensor. But, if that isn’t an issue, I’ll gladly return those fittings and get my money back haha

Fireindc 11-13-2020 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by matrussell122 (Post 1585962)
use more words not less


Brendan B 11-13-2020 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by Fireindc (Post 1585965)

haha, I’ll try to be more descriptive for you guys.

deezums 11-13-2020 09:26 PM

I don't know what you are using for control, but MS3 has wicked delay to the ethanol sensor reading on startup and it's made worse by a dry sensor in the return line. Therefore, if I were going through the trouble to split it's feed I'd put it in the feed line.

It might be possible for you to outflow the sensor in the return line which would increase the fuel pressure under low loads, but I highly doubt it.

Brendan B 11-15-2020 01:33 AM


Originally Posted by deezums (Post 1585973)
I don't know what you are using for control, but MS3 has wicked delay to the ethanol sensor reading on startup and it's made worse by a dry sensor in the return line. Therefore, if I were going through the trouble to split it's feed I'd put it in the feed line.

It might be possible for you to outflow the sensor in the return line which would increase the fuel pressure under low loads, but I highly doubt it.

Good information to know. I am going to be using a bofi MS3 basic, but I'd imagine it to be similar in how it functions. From the sound of this and what other's are saying, It seems like it would make most sense to just run the ethanol sensor on a single return line without a split. Thanks for the heads up


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