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Konig' Flatout 15X8 Bronze showed up today.
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In the long run, I guarantee that wrapping it will be more work than painting it now.
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Originally Posted by vehicular
(Post 1071277)
In the long run, I guarantee that wrapping it will be more work than painting it now.
Anything negative about using paint stripper rather than sanding? I have a couple gallons of paint stripper and a 3.5k psi pressure washer. Should be a bit easier that way correct? |
don't even think of plasti-dip or wrap or any of that other crap.
you are at the best time/opportunity to properly paint the car. don't screw it up. |
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Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1071345)
don't even think of plasti-dip or wrap or any of that other crap.
you are at the best time/opportunity to properly paint the car. don't screw it up. . . . https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1383895238 |
haha! Is the paint really that bad? I'd give it a shot wetsanding/buffing a section of it and see if it cleans up. If its single stage paint you can sand it down all day long and it will still buff right out.
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I''ll know for sure tonight when I powerwash it w/ purple power and use a brush on everything to get any overspray/gunk off the paint. I'll probably do a test panel but as Vlad said, might as well do it right while its broken down like this...
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I just wish I had the balls like Curly to buy a paint gun/sanding blocks/paint, and spray the car myself. After doing the math though it wouldn't be much cheaper by the time I buy all the tools and paint rather than taking it to a Maaco and getting their base coat and clear coat package, which is much better than the basic $400 paint job most people complain about.
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I'm glad you recognize my balls, but I has no paint sprayer. Or is that just what I told you to do?
Maaco SUCKS. There has to be ZERO trim on the car. If you see anything black, it'll be sprayed, masked or not. So lights, windows, window trim, any interior, etc. I'm flipping a car currently with a Maaco paint job, and I've used up 2 cans of Rust-oleum's flat black enamel paint. I LOVE the stuff, and I've put it on the head light bucket trims, the lower windshield trim, the hood guards, a handful of other things, and I still haven't gotten rid of a good amount of the over spray. It sucks to deal with. You're in a good position to paint yes, but if it's not currently horrible, I'd highly, highly suggest leaving it alone. I took the time to sand, spray a primer, and spray enamel white on the hood, and it looks much better than the panels around it. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1383933633 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1383933633 |
Woops sorry I was thinking of Joe Perez in this thread.
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You don't sand teh car to strip it, just to give the paint some bite. And being a detailer, you can fix anything you might screw up spraying teh car. Take your time, buy a Kobalt spray gun from Lowes (one of the mid level gravity feed guns), and spray the thing single stage PPG white. It will look great forever, and even if you run the crap out of it you can sand the run out and buff it or respray that panel.
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Damn you guys for talking me into doing this! I appreciate the gentle nudges in the right direction though. My problem is information saturation. I research the shit out of anything I do and it sometimes leads to sensory overload due to the choices available.
I'm guessing this is what I'll need then -Paint sprayer -Mixing cups w/filters -Lacquer Primer -2k Epoxy Sealing Primer -Sandpaper blocks -PPG White Single Stage -Reducer -Inline filter and pressure regulator -Those huge rolls of plastic for painting to create a sorta clean room/protect garage. |
Insurance finally settled the claim. $6800 payout, I received an additional $1300 from parts after I gave them the receipts that Dave had on record. $1100 buyout for the salvage. I'll Probably get a couple hundred for the shell after I take it to a salvage yard
so... $2100 after the initial $7500 $800 replacement shell $800 for wheels/tires +/-$700 in parts =$4400 Not bad, not bad at all. A huge headache but I'll take that over an additional $3100. I'm going to try wet sanding the paint tonight and if that doesn't turn out looking good after a 3 stage buffing/polish I'll paint it. If I di paint, I'll use TCP Global-Arctic White Acrylic Urethane Single Stage with a Urethane Primer. |
Nice. Why did you get a new wastegate for the 2860? Was the old one damaged?
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You're in the detailing biz, right? Don't you have any friends that are already equipped that can lay down an even coat for you? That's what I'd do. You've already done the grunt work.
If you want to learn, that's cool too. But it would likely be cheaper/faster the other way. Still, your car is going to be awesome and you're going to thank us later for talking you into this. |
Originally Posted by Fireindc
(Post 1071561)
Nice. Why did you get a new wastegate for the 2860? Was the old one damaged?
Originally Posted by hornetball
(Post 1071563)
You're in the detailing biz, right? Don't you have any friends that are already equipped that can lay down an even coat for you? That's what I'd do. You've already done the grunt work.
If you want to learn, that's cool too. But it would likely be cheaper/faster the other way. Still, your car is going to be awesome and you're going to thank us later for talking you into this. I can't quite make myself hit the checkout button for the paint supplies for myself. You reach a certain point where you want to just hand the car off to someone else to do the paint and body work. I can rip cars apart and clean it till the day is long but since I'm a detailer by hobby, I notice defects pretty bad, and I'd hate it if I was the cause. We'll see though, still nothing concrete. I'm still waiting on TSE to ship my manifold studs so there is no hurry in assembling the car until I get all the little parts in from different vendors. |
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225/45/15 looks absolutely perfect on 15X8. Tire shop was laughing at how light the wheels were, then they were laughing at me for buying 949 valve stems, then I was laughing at them for how hard they had to struggle to get the Rivals to mount on the wheel.
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Got down here too late to run the pressure washer so I had to use my steam cleaner. Turned out good but takes 5 times longer to do what the P.W. does.
Still a lot of little nooks and crannies to get to. Took me an hour just to sand the overspray off with 2k wet. It is really tempting to do a wire tuck while the harness is out like this. It looks so much better without all the shit in there. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1383989144 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1383989144 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1383989144 |
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Early start today.
Took all the nasty gunk out of the trunk. Different chisel sizes and a heat gun. Cleaned it up with a wire wheel. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384002450 Took the rear trim off(bitch and a half) and took all the sealant off the edge. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384002450 |
Trunk looks really good, that's what mine looks like. Bitch and a half, but once you're done it's very satisfying. And very bendy. It's not very thick back there...
Careful on the wire tuck. If you're not making a show car, I consider it a better idea to have a useable and serviceable harness than hiding a few wires. You can do a lot by just grouping a few wires together and running them under the fender (but inside the engine bay). While you've got everything out, you might want to cut the braces a little bit that sit right behind the headlights, so you can pass some of the larger connectors behind them. |
Early start??? Judging by the time between posts, I don't think you ever stopped!
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I agree with Curly, don't go for a tuck. A bit of clean routing goes a LONG way on these cars, this is how mine looks (ignore the temporary vac lines across the front of the engine)
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384025879 No tucking required, just a few minor things. Deleted charcoal canister (since you don't have emissions, do it!), routed some wires under the dr. headlight lid to hide them, tucked the diagnostics box, deleted some bracketry from the passenger side, etc. Just small things that make sense. Full on wire tucks are just ricer and takes way too much time/effort IMO, unless you do something like Dem (i think) and a few others did and do a full custom quick disconnect harness, which is awesome. |
Nice title change Curly:rofl:
Sorry if I'm a little picture happy, I always hated build threads that never took very many pictures. Good thoughts on the wire tucks, I'll have to change my approach. Right now I am trying to figure out a safe way to roll the shell into the drive way. Maybe bolt the subframe back on? Trying to avoid that since it will block some spots to clean. |
Originally Posted by Jeffbucc
(Post 1071684)
Sorry if I'm a little picture happy, I always hated build threads that never took very many pictures.
Originally Posted by Jeffbucc
(Post 1071684)
Right now I am trying to figure out a safe way to roll the shell into the drive way. Maybe bolt the subframe back on? Trying to avoid that since it will block some spots to clean.
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Originally Posted by hornetball
(Post 1071727)
Us too. Keep the pictures coming.
Can you put the shell on some mover's dollys? As stripped as it is, it can't be too heavy. We were on the same train of thought on the movers dollys. Worked perfect. Wheeled it out to the driveway and then put it as high onto jack stands as I could safely(driveway has an incline) and went to town. Presoaked the car in 100% purple power and let it soak for 15 minutes then put the turbo nozzle on the power washer(it changes the blast to a cone letting you get a lot more surface area coverage). 20 years of grease and build up and flaky undercoating ripped right off. It also tore a lot of the overspray/sanding buildup out of the gaps. Some of the grease was really stubborn so I need to go at it again with my steam cleaner but it is almost ready for sanding and subsequently painting. I talked to my friend who owns a Maaco 5 hours North in Logan, UT and asked him if he knew anything about the Maaco down here. He said they were one of the few he would recommend going to for painting as long as I did the prepwork. So hopefully a basecoat+clearcoat package from them will turn out good. Think I should strip the paint besides just general sanding? As in strip it down to the sheet metal? Or just sand it till I remove the shitty single stage whatever-the-fuck the previous owner sprayed on it. The new paint flaked off like crazy while I was pressure washing it, even though I turned down the pressure regulator to 1200 psi on the painted sections. Drivers fender https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384056061 Passenger fender https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384056061 Transmission tunnel https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384056061 Missing undercoating from the rails and transmission tunnel https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384056061 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384056061 Rear transmission tunnel https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384056061 Gas tank area https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384056061 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384056061 The boot has a lot of rust where the battery tray was, I'm scared to sand it to see how bad it is. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384056061 Interior https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384056061 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384056061 I am baking the Valve Cover right now in Wrinkle Black. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384056061 Brake calipers and dust shields are sitting in degreaser at the moment then I plan on a quick lick of caliper paint just to clean them up. I love weekends. |
If I worked 8 hours a day on this it would have taken me probably a solid month to do what you've done, if I could even manage it. You're insane.
I'm curious as can be to see how long it takes you to put it back together. :D |
Originally Posted by turbofan
(Post 1071785)
If I worked 8 hours a day on this it would have taken me probably a solid month to do what you've done, if I could even manage it. You're insane.
I'm curious as can be to see how long it takes you to put it back together. :D Lets not think about the latter... |
Very clean, love it.
I thoroughly enjoy build threads like this when the car gets completely and utterly broken down and everything is cleaned, painted, etc. My car was a clean 2001 NB2 with not bad paint when I got it, and I still tore it down quite a bit, cleaned every single nook and cranny, and had the car re-sprayed. Now every time I drive it or work on it, its like a 2-3 year old car vs 10+ You'll be so happy you did this in the long run :) Keep at it, don't cut corners anywhere, and make this thing showroom condition |
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Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1071791)
Very clean, love it.
I thoroughly enjoy build threads like this when the car gets completely and utterly broken down and everything is cleaned, painted, etc. My car was a clean 2001 NB2 with not bad paint when I got it, and I still tore it down quite a bit, cleaned every single nook and cranny, and had the car re-sprayed. Now every time I drive it or work on it, its like a 2-3 year old car vs 10+ You'll be so happy you did this in the long run :) Keep at it, don't cut corners anywhere, and make this thing showroom condition Assembly I hope won't kill me, it is easy to tear something apart, assembly is the hard part. Cleaned the calipers, I don't know what I'd do with out a steam cleaner. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384072998 Painted them. I think the caliper paint I bought was old, it was pretty thick in the bottle. Oh well, it is just the calipers, I don't need the bling, just the protection. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384072998 Valve cover turned out great, nice tight wrinkle finish. Used a razor blade and 80/400/600/2000 grit to give the lettering a nice brushed look. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384072998 |
Any good thoughts on an undercoating? I don't like undercoating spray since it tends to absorb oil/dirt/grease and builds up, but at the same time it needs the protection.
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I...can't...stop...must keep going.
Ok I actually took a nap, so it isn't as bad as it seems. Playing around with interior & upholstery trim paint. It matches black abs plastic and satin black trim pieces perfectly. Painted the rearview mirror and the hood latches since both were pretty faded/chipped even after applying some Adams Super VRT to it. Stripped the hood latches, and lightly sanded the rear view mirror with a grey scuff pad. 2 layers of light etching primer and 4 layers of interior paint. I think it turned out good! https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384091152 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384091152 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384091152 Removed the throttle body. Going to spray some cleaner in it and replace the gasket. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384091152 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384091152 Brakes are...acceptable https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384091152 Going to attempt to replace the valve cover gasket. Bought some black high temp silicone gasket maker and an OEM Miata gasket(seems to fail the least from what I have read). Already cleaned the gasket surface and removed the old silicone gasket from the 6 corners. |
Damn. Frame-off restoration of a Miata. In a day. This is like watching Overhaulin', except it's one sex-deprived insomniac doing all the work. LOL.
Is the windshield still in? You might want to remove that for your uber-paint job. As for stripping vs. sanding, not sure. All the cars I ever painted were just sanded, but when I read about Ferrarris being restored, they strip. Stripper is nasty stuff though. Plus, how far do you go? There are lot of nooks and crannys that the factory got paint on by dunking the shell in a huge vat or something like that. If you get stripper into those areas and weaken the protection, not sure you'll be able to get it covered again. This is a theory, mind you. Maybe someone with experience stripping will speak up. Aircraft are always stripped during repaints. The concern there is weight. Plus, aluminum offers a lot more natural corrosion resistance than steel. I think bed liner would work great as an undercoating. OEM's would never do that . . . too expensive. That chain-smoking "angry" old man would be in shock and shaking his head right about now. But he'll never have a car like this one. |
For a leak-free valve cover, torque the bolts in the order given in the Haynes manual. Max of 74in-lbs (not much). You'll go around several times as you evenly squeeze it down.
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Originally Posted by hornetball
(Post 1071805)
Damn. Frame-off restoration of a Miata. In a day. This is like watching Overhaulin', except it's one sex-deprived insomniac doing all the work. LOL.
Is the windshield still in? You might want to remove that for your uber-paint job. I think bed liner would work great as an undercoating. OEM's would never do that . . . too expensive. :bowrofl: Yup I think you nailed my situation in a nutshell... Windshield is still in, I heard you can remove the trim without pulling the glass? Not sure about that though. I just don't want to pay 40-60 bucks for him to remove it and then put it back in. Going to buy some bedliner today. The paint on with a brush type. I hear it gets god damn every where if you use an aerosal. I hate taping shit up, takes almost as long as it does to paint. I think you bring up good points I didn't consider with paint stripper. Plus with OEM paint it doesn't just scrape-right-off. After stripping the hood latches it took several applications to get off the factory primer...it didn't save me any time. I think I'll just get several 6 inch disks to put on my orbital buffer and sand it down that way. I'm going to use the trunk lid from my old car since it already has holes drilled for the wing. Good time to paint the wing white as well. It looks good black but I want it to look nice and clean with no "race car" look to it. Even though it is as loud as one!:party: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384092665 |
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For someone who admittedly hates painting, I sure seem to be doing a lot of it. Sprayed out the intake manifold as well and got it mounted with a new gasket. Not sure if I got it all but I'm not worried about it.
When spraying out the manifold, wear proper protection, and I aint talking about no jimmy hat. Oddly enough my mask fits the Miataturbo theme pretty well! https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384108768 Roughed up cleaned/primed/enamel https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384108768 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384108768 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384108768 Yes I need to clean up the garage. |
Damn dude, doing work! Keep at it. This IS the time to do a color change if you want, so think long and hard about that. I personally really like the idea of audi grey, and you DID mention wishing you had found a mariner. BWM laguna seca blue , and that s2000 CR edition blue looks amazing as well.
Just putting it out there ;) |
What? This isn't done yet?
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Originally Posted by Fireindc
(Post 1071917)
Damn dude, doing work! Keep at it. This IS the time to do a color change if you want, so think long and hard about that. I personally really like the idea of audi grey, and you DID mention wishing you had found a mariner. BWM laguna seca blue , and that s2000 CR edition blue looks amazing as well.
Just putting it out there ;)
Originally Posted by Harv
(Post 1071925)
What? This isn't done yet?
I guess I should post more pics of my shitty build, but I'm kind of embarrassed. No real update, body gave out on me and had to take a nap. Then I realized how fucking ungodly dirty my work space was and decided to deep clean the garage for a "fresh start". I don't know about you guys but when I work in a cluttered space that is covered in grime I get unconsciously pissed off and work a lot slower. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384134891 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384134891 Also after the drive through a snow storm to CO and back, and weeks of neglect due to the Miata Sadness, I need to give my VW a quick maintenance detail, it was looking pretty rough; especially after power washing the Miata right next to it. Miata is a priority, but you can't ignore your garage and D.D.. I like to follow the "cleanliness is close to godliness" adage pretty closely...if that isn't obvious. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384134891 Oh I also forgot I started roughing up the transmission tunnel and wheel wells in preparation for truck bed lining it. Hopefully I can get two coats on before it gets too late. It takes about 2-4 hours for the first layer to cure before you can apply the second. I got Duplicolor since it tends to go on smoother than others. I didn't want a super bumpy surface. Plus I'm going to use a paint brush rather than a roller, which helps it not develop ridges. Shit is expensive though! |
This is totally a competition and I'm losing badly. :loser:
Anyway, I don't think white looks bad, but I don't see going a different color being bad either. So, basically I'm not helpful at all. :party: |
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Getting there slowly...fuck this shit. It would be easy if I wasn't on my back. Braided wired wheel rips apart anything leftover after I go to town with my chisel.
Right fender area almost done https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384144389 Working on the frame rails https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384144343 Transmission tunnel done https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384144343 |
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I have to take breaks otherwise the drill vibrates my hands to death.
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Keep it white, white is right :giggle:
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Huh...well...I still have the passenger front and rear fenders to do and I can't make myself pickup the drill again tonight. It'll have to wait till tomorrow. Thank god for a braided wire wheel I forgot I had, otherwise I would have tossed in the towel long a go.
Its coming off easy it is just the nooks and crannies that are hard to get to. Why you ask am I trying to get ever little bit of it instead of putting the truck bed liner over it? 7 lbs with three fenders to go is why. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384159032 How far should I paint it on is the question I have. I want to protect it but I probably don't need to go over board. Just put it on as much as OEM applied? https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384159032 |
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^ insomniac double post :giggle:
Looks amazing man. I'd probably do 2 coats and call it on the undercarriage. No reason to go overboard and end up adding weight. |
Why don't you just chrome plate everything while you're at it?
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Chrome is heavy man!
I hate working in a dirty workspace too. I'll bet your actress girlfriend is messy, right? That's my situation -- I'm a neat freak and my wife's clothes and shoes stay wherever they drop (at least they drop ;)). Opposites attract. Coming up on 28 years. I'd go back with OEM locations. I'm sure Mazda studied it. They also applied undercoating to a primed and painted surface. Better make sure bedliner doesn't need that first too. |
Originally Posted by hornetball
(Post 1072143)
Chrome is heavy man!
I hate working in a dirty workspace too. I'll bet your actress girlfriend is messy, right? That's my situation -- I'm a neat freak and my wife's clothes and shoes stay wherever they drop (at least they drop ;)). Opposites attract. Coming up on 28 years. I'd go back with OEM locations. I'm sure Mazda studied it. They also applied undercoating to a primed and painted surface. Better make sure bedliner doesn't need that first too. and yes the girlfriend is messy, but I can ignore that since the clothes laying around may or may not be my fault at times. :dealwithit: |
Dude.
Love the TDI. That will likely be our next main car. LMK if you decide to sell it, I have family in Utah and would take the trip. As for the Miata... If I were in your shoes, I would go Mariner or BMW LS Blue. No question. White is tight but blue is true. I should be banned for writing that. |
Just read this thread from the beginning, great job and keep it up!!! This car is going to be awesome when it's finished, which shouldn't be too long from now based on the current pace.
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Originally Posted by turbofan
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Dude.
Love the TDI. That will likely be our next main car. LMK if you decide to sell it, I have family in Utah and would take the trip. If I were in your shoes, I would go Mariner or BMW LS Blue. I kind of want to do VW Blue too, looks really good. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384204019
Originally Posted by RotorNutFD3S
(Post 1072194)
Just read this thread from the beginning, great job and keep it up!!! This car is going to be awesome when it's finished, which shouldn't be too long from now based on the current pace.
Paint brush isn't working so hot so I am going to do the final coat with a roller. It takes 2 hours for this to cure fully before you can put an additional coat on top of it. Hard to get it in the crevices. Literally have to jam it in there. Wrap it https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384204019 Paint it https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384204019 |
Oh no. VW blue looks good on the VW's but if you're going to do blue on the Miata the brighter blue is the way to go for sure IMO.
About the TDI, that figures. Biggest reason it's so hard to find good, clean low-mile used ones at reasonable prices. |
How about sunburst yellow?
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Horrible idea. :party:
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Originally Posted by Harv
(Post 1072249)
How about sunburst yellow?
No I think I will go with Audi TT grey, I just love how crisp it is. I don't think it will look good with bronze wheels though... https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384216058 Second coat done with a roller...turned out perfect! https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384216058 |
Technoviolet metallic
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Originally Posted by Harv
(Post 1072323)
Technoviolet metallic
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I have both rear fenders to go(stripping) and I can prep for painting the entire underside.
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Due to the odd sense of obligation I have towards this cars integrity and quality, I decided not to say "fuck it" as I ninja star threw my chisel into the garage door in frustration and painted over the undercoating.
100% undercoat free totaling 25 lbs. The entire gallon of truck bed liner only weighs 5 lbs and I doubt I'll use more than 3/4 of it. Unintentional win. I need to see if I can grind out some of the rust, if not I'll put some rust converter on it and call it a day. I'm painting tomorrow. I can't feel my arms anymore. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384249663 |
Also I think I have picked a color. Laguna Seca Blue. God it looks good.
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