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Bird's NA Turbo Track Build
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Decided it was finally time to put up a build thread. Here's my intro thread:
https://www.miataturbo.net/meet-greet-40/new-guy-turbo-track-build-socal-61750/ I'll post the pictures here too so you don't actually have to click through... Here's the car I started with, a 1991 with 185,000. Bought it cheap with the intention of making it a track car. I've got another daily driver so this car is just a toy. I started out by doing basic safety/maintenance stuff. It got rebuilt calipers, master cylinder, stainless steel lines. Then Energy suspension bushings, and FM V-Maxx coilovers, cheap wheels, and Dunlop Direzza Tires... After that I got in a few track days NA, I had planned to do a lot more before turbo'ing, but after a day at California Motor Speedway, I came home with no compression in cylinder 3... So new plan: 2000 1.8 Longblock (purchased, but turned out to be bad, so will need rebuild) 6 speed from same car as motor GT2860 Absurdflow Manifold Tial EWG Ebay Intercooler Kit Megasquirt DIYPNP 550cc Injectors ACT Clutch Lightweight Flywheel and other stuff i'm sure i'm forgetting...all of the above has already been purchased. I'm trying to buy as much used as possible to help the budget for the car. Here's a pic of what it looked like at the track (at willow springs in this photo): https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327266541 After the motor crapped out I decided to go all out turbo build, and picked up a GT 2860, Absurdflow low mount manifold, and Tial EWG off the forum here. Original intention was to do a quickie, yank old motor out, put new turbo motor in job....but that plan changed... Here's the turbo goodies: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327266541 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327266541 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327266541 After getting to work, I started to realize there was going to be nothing quick about this, so I decided to take my time and take care of some surface rust issues from the previously leaky brake master cylinder, and paint the bay. Pics of the motor coming out: Or rather the car being lifted off the motor. We sat the car down with the subframe sitting on a furniture dolly, undid the subframe bolts, jacked the car up then slid the motor out. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327266541 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327266541 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327266541 Now on to the rust removal...The master cylinder had leaked causing the paint to bubble all around the master cylinder and down through the trans tunnel. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327266541 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327266541 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327266541 So I got to work cleaning up the rust. Used wire brushes on my dremel and drill to make pretty quick work of it. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327266541 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327266541 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327266541 After I got all the rust and peeling undercoat out, I primed. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327266541 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327266541 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327266541 Stay tuned...Next step, engine bay painting. |
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So now on to painting the engine bay.
First step was to clean 20 years of ---- out...I had started using Simple Green, but later ended up using Industrial Purple to clean...Purple ---- works way better. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 Step two: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 I'm doing most of the work in the tandem parking spot of my shared apartment garage...my landlord is great and let's me get away with doing all this, so I try to be conscientious of everybody else and not do smelly stuff down there. That meant no painting down there. So i drug the car out to see the light of day, and took it over to a friends place where we st up a makeshift paint booth. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 Paintbooth courtesy of Quixote Studios. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 Some of the tools needed for the job: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 I used Dupli-Color rattle cans for the primer and base coat....I didn't get a shot of the clear coat, but I used Spraymax 2k Glamour Clear. The clear is actually a two part in a rattle can. You have to press an activator button on the bottom of the can before you shake to inject the hardner. The clear coat is totally amazing...OEM quality clear out of spray can. It's also supposed to be fuel resistant, and all the motorcycle guys rave about it for rattle canned tanks. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 And now on to the priming, after being scuffed with the 3m pads: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 After a good scuff, we put down the first coats of base...these pics don't really show the true color. The last photos after clear are a more accurate representation. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 And now the clear: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327267809 It came out great, It's not show quality in the least, but it will do for a race car. Eventually I'm going to paint the car dark blue, and the interior gold as well. After seeing the dark car, bright bay combo on Savingtons car I knew I wanted something like that. But that basically brings me up to date. I'm working pretty crazy hours right now, so I doubt progress will happen too quickly....hopefully I'll have more to add soon. Bird |
Didn't see a Torsen in your list. Better add one if you haven't already. Looks like a nice project.
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Plans to upgrade to forged motor internals during rebuild? Might as well since it's getting rebuilt
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The original plan was to drop the motor in as is...but since it's going for the rebuild I'm thinking forged. No sense in not doing right.
Only problem there is the cost...hence the original plan to go used motor for the time being. I actually just found out yesterday that the motor needed rebuild. It seemed ok, but I found out the story of the motors history wasn't really true...and I found some shiny specs in the oil... Story I got was that it was the original motor, pulled working, from the guys car I bought it from. But when you look really close at the valve cover, you can see some traces of yellow and pink from the junkyard numbers...It's not 'blown' but I'm guessing it's got a few more miles than I was told, and the bearings may not be in great shape. It looks like someone started to take it apart to swap the timing belt, and found the same specs I did, buttoned it back up and then sold it to me. It also just worries me in general that the guy lied about where the motor came from...even in worse shape than I thought it was it wasn't really a bad price... So now I'm researching motor options...I'm not too far from Trackspeed, so I'm probably going to give them a call. Bird |
Your engine bay is gangsta - I like it alot. Nice work!
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Wow, I'm tempted to do the exact same thing. I love it!!
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Tell me you didn't paint it gold. lol.
So are you Absurdflow V-band setup #4? |
Coooool ;)
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Is the pure 24K gold to defect heat?!?!?! Baller haha jk but it does look money
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Originally Posted by curly
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Tell me you didn't paint it gold. lol.
So are you Absurdflow V-band setup #4? Attachment 186074 |
Just an FYI for future.... an autobody shop has a wax and grease remover that requires zero scrubbing.
put it on a grey scotchbrite pad and wipe the surface with little pressure, wipre dry and then you are ready for paint. no need to sand. |
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Time for an update. I picked up another motor, this one's a used 95 built motor from FM. It was originally put together in 2002, and I bought it with the hope that all it would need was rings...maybe a new piston for #3 which I knew had issues. I checked all the cylinders out with a video scope before I bought it, and didn't see any carnage anywhere. I got a decent deal on it, so it was worth a shot.
Basic Specs: Wiseco 9:1 84mm Carillo H-beam Rods Billet Center main cap SS +1mm valves Port and Polish Head So here's the head, starting with cylinder #1...(the nicks around the spark plug hole are from the scope and just scraped the carbon off) https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1330404624 #2 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1330404624 #3...guess I missed that with the scope... https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1330404624 #4 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1330404624 And now some pics of the bottom end: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1330404624 Crank: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1330404624 Billet Center Main: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1330404624 I forgot to take pics of the cylinder walls, but there are still faint crosshatches from the hone, and each cylinder has a little scoring, ranging from visible but smooth to enough to catch a fingernail. Pistons from the top look great, just carbon build up. I'm guessing that chunk of exhaust valve just flew out the exhaust because there is no indication any metal pieces went flying around the combustion chamber. So now I need to decide where to go from here. I guess my options range from backyard style fixing the one valve and slapping it back together, to an all out rebuild. Thoughts? I've still got the other motor that I bought, a bone stock 2000. Haven't torn it open yet, but it seems like a high mileage motor in need of a refresh. So I can use that block for a core to have machined for the oversize pistons if needed. Then the question is what head to go with. Do you think a 95 head with a good bit of work and oversized valves, or the stock 2000 head will flow better? I'll freely admit that I'm completely inexperienced with engine internals. This is my first time cracking a motor open, so I'd love some input from some more experienced people. Bird |
Cool build thread. You should get us more pictures of the built FM motor, as in piston/bore pics. Then get us some pics of your other motor that you suspect needs refreshing, and we can give much better advise.
Also, quit buying fckd up motors! |
I would just take the 2000 head and slap it on that 95 block as-is. Then take your time and rebuild the 2000 bottom end with new rods & pistons.
Reusing 10 year old pistons just seems silly to me. |
Originally Posted by soviet
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I would just take the 2000 head and slap it on that 95 block as-is. Then take your time and rebuild the 2000 bottom end with new rods & pistons.
Reusing 10 year old pistons just seems silly to me. So whats the consensus on that...anybody else have any input on the 10yr old Wiseco pistons and Carrillo H-beams? I'll get some pics of the piston tops and cylinder walls today so you guys can see that. I don't want to pop the pistons out yet in case I do use the bottom end as is. Bird |
well, think how much money you would put towards re-using old pistons - rings are at least $100, getting the tools to measure them for roundness (do you have a 3-4" micrometer? I don't!) or paying someone to do it, etc.
think how much you'd spend on making them work. then decide if it might be just worth it to buy a new set of supertechs, take them to a shop with your 2000 block and say "here, bore for these". |
Originally Posted by soviet
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well, think how much money you would put towards re-using old pistons - rings are at least $100, getting the tools to measure them for roundness (do you have a 3-4" micrometer? I don't!) or paying someone to do it, etc.
What's your thoughts on the rods? If I swap those out, I would be swapping lighter rods for heavier China rods...no way I can afford new Carrillos... Bird |
Honestly, just throw that built block together with the good head you have and run it, like someone else said. Unless of course the scoring in the cylinders is actually really bad.
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I would definitely reuse the rods but at that point it would be "sell block whole vs. part out block minus rods".
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You bitch! I was trying to buy this engine.
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Sorry. Be happy I saved you from it.
Bird |
Haha it's cool, is it really that bad? I know you got a deal on it ;). I'll still take it if you wanna sell it.
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It's not too bad. Just that hole in the exhaust valve. I may sell the head, or just part the whole thing, or keep it...I haven't really decided yet.
If there's something specific you want, PM me an offer, I'd consider it. Bird |
That bottom end is hosed. I see det damage on all 4 pistons.
Why in the hell is there a single billet main cap? |
Originally Posted by Savington
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That bottom end is hosed. I see det damage on all 4 pistons.
Why in the hell is there a single billet main cap? So what exactly does the det damage look like? Not sure what I'm looking for. Any opinions on if it's worth repairing the head? Would you consider anything from this motor salvageable? And Center cap was FM's thing ten years ago I guess... Bird |
Ok...so I googled it and found a few decent pics of mild det, then got led back here:
https://www.miataturbo.net/engine-performance-56/built-motors-detonation-42072/ I guess I was looking for more catastrophic damage... |
The top of the piston should be completely uniform in finish - in your pictures, at the edges of the piston near the valve relief, the finish gets rough and changes in color. That's the detonation damage - it's mild but it's definitely there. We can't see the ringlands, but I bet the same style of damage is on those as well (or worse).
I bet the head is salvageable, though. You might want to take it to a local machinist and have him take a look. Or you can send it up to us and we can have our guy go through it and refresh it - new guides, 3-angle seats, etc. |
cool build here! looking forward for more :)
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More pictures...because everybody loves pictures.
Some pics of the head: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1330672098 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1330672098 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1330672098 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1330672098 Here's what the crank looks like, some scoring. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1330672098 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1330672098 Rods: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1330672098 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1330672098 And just thought I'd share this tip. Harbor Freight sells these cheap, and they're great for storing fastners from stuff you're taking apart. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1330672098 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1330672098 I use this stuff to clean up some of my small parts and hardware, but it will strip plating from bolts if you leave them in too long. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1330672098 Bird |
There was a guy on the forum selling a complete set of valves for a good price recently. Not sure if he still has them, but would be worth a look.
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Was that Y8s? I believe Hustler bought those.
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Just got 4 of these from Trackspeed in the mail:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1331008205 Tomorrow I'm taking these, the Carrillo rods from the FM motor, and the '00 head and block down to a machine shop. I'm going to have to use the crank from the 95, the keyway in the '00 crank was messed up making it unusable. It looks like a botched timing belt job is what caused that motor's demise. Still need to order the BE oil pump, I'm bummed I missed the GB. Hopefully in a couple weeks I'll have new built motor pics to share. Bird |
What machine work are you getting and how much is it?
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Hot Tank
Magnaflux Bore, Hone for pistons Deck Line Hone $325 Rods are $15 a piece if they need machining, I forgot what he said for Maganfluxing those but it was cheap. |
damn, that is cheap :O
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Yeah, I was surprised. I'm having it done at Eddings Engine They also quoted me $300 to do the valves on the '00 Head, more if it needs any parts replaced.
I think I'm going to just have them assemble it too. I haven't talked to them about that yet though. Bird |
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Haven't updated in a while, not much progress on the car. I got my engine from the machine shop a few weeks ago, but life and work have got in the way of working on it. It's ok though, I needed a break, and I've been playing with something new...
Here's the engine while test fitting and picking oil drain location. I had AN bungs welded onto the valve cover and oil pan. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1340488486 My girlfriend's new car is what has really been taking up my free time though... *Warning-Non miata content below (but it does have a turbo) https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1340488486 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1340488486 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1340488486 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1340488486 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1340488486 |
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Finally have something worthy to take pics and post about. I got my valve cover back from the powdercoaters, and added a little extra touch to it.
Other than that I've just been reading about wiring and sensors. I've got most the electronics from a 1.6, a 95 1.8, and a 2000 1.8. I picked up a protege 36-tooth wheel to run with the megasquirt, and I'm a little overwhelmed. I've definitely got more reading to do to.... But anyways here's pics. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1342230638 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1342230638 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1342230638 |
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