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Fireindc 04-14-2014 04:22 PM

LOL, looking munched. I guess that is the result of the video on top of this page :giggle:

BoostedSmurf 04-14-2014 04:25 PM

The flywheel likely looks like that because of how the clutch looks. I think? All from the failed burnout.

So does the clutch look like its toast too or do you guys think after a bit of normal use it might be alright? It wasn't slipping afterwards even on pulls.

Jeffbucc 04-14-2014 04:37 PM

I'd be worried about the build up personally. You can see uneven wear on the clutch surface, and the surface material building up in the slots.

I'd resurface the flywheel and replace the clutch disk, they aren't too pricey for peace of mind.

BoostedSmurf 04-14-2014 06:18 PM

Spinning the input shaft it gets caught up/clunks at the same spot each time it goes around. Jeff, messaged you about a 5 speed.

Since this clutch wasn't slipping and only needs to last this year it'll go back in. If I need a new disk I may as well go TII now rather than wait.

miata2fast 04-14-2014 06:21 PM

That clutch looks pretty rough. The smearing appears to be the result of excessive heat from that slipping incident.

I would take it to a local clutch rebuild shop to get a professional opinion as to whether or not the smearing will wear off after normal use.

I am guessing the transmission NOM NOM NOM NOM.... itself internally. LOL

hornetball 04-14-2014 06:26 PM

Taking a chance on the clutch . . . ask yourself "did I enjoy pulling the transmission solo with the car on jackstands while having back and hernia issues." If the answer's yes, then by all means, put that burned-up clutch back in. LOL.

Fireindc 04-14-2014 06:36 PM

Id at least surface the flywheel, but +1 on replacing that clutch. Gotta pay to play :)

BoostedSmurf 04-14-2014 06:45 PM

Just looked at it again and had a friend look at it. Looks like you're all right lol. Disk is toast.

Time to start gathering TII swap parts. Car will be down for at least a month.

Erat 04-14-2014 07:21 PM

A month? Pfft, that's nothing.

It's going to snow tomorrow, you've got time.

BoostedSmurf 04-14-2014 11:43 PM


Originally Posted by Erat (Post 1121659)
A month? Pfft, that's nothing.

It's going to snow tomorrow, you've got time.

It'll likely be more than a month as I add up the cost of all these parts for the swap.

Also about the entire snow thing, kind of ridiculous, high 60's on Sunday and snowing on Tuesday. Dafuq?

My torsen will be getting removed tomorrow and it'll be going for sale to make room for the TII rear end. That'll hopefully cover the TII rear end and a part of my driveshaft.

Going to sell off as many spare parts as I can to hopefully make this entire swap happen sooner rather than later

FAB 04-15-2014 12:08 AM

I've been meaning to chime in. There is counter shaft in the 5 speed that rotates with the input shaft. I've personally destroyed 4x 5-speed transmissions and it has been the counter shaft each time. Pulled them apart and sure enough it was missing at least a tooth.

It was completely normal sounding when you press the clutch pedal and an awful sound when you let go of the pedal (even when you aren't in a gear).


Originally Posted by Jeffbucc (Post 1121570)
Also your pilot bearing looks to be inserted to far in. Shouldn't it be flush rather than inset like that?

Jeff - Without the hydraulics or a pressure plate in place, the throwout bearing can slide freely back and forth. More so the case when he has already removed the rubber boot from the fork.

BoostedSmurf 04-15-2014 12:14 AM


Originally Posted by FAB (Post 1121745)
I've been meaning to chime in. There is counter shaft in the 5 speed that rotates with the input shaft. I've personally destroyed 4x 5-speed transmissions and it has been the counter shaft each time. Pulled them apart and sure enough it was missing at least a tooth.

It was completely normal sounding when you press the clutch pedal and an awful sound when you let go of the pedal (even when you aren't in a gear)

Thanks Bryan, I'm pretty certain that's what I broke but I'll find out whenever I actually crack the trans open. Sorry about never getting back to you about those parts I wanted. I was waiting to see if anything would come up when the car was back on the road and looks like its good I did that with a transmission breaking less than 24 hrs into having the car out. I'll have to wait a bit before buying those parts but I still plan on getting them.

Redoing all my research for the TII swap now that I actually have to start piecing everything together. This is going to be more work than anticipated but the car will be going to a friend's house where there is a hoist. He is also a welder and machinist which should make like a lot easier when it comes to installing everything.

I already own the TII transmission but need to source a custom clutch, driveshaft, TII rear end w/ axles, and have some rear hubs machined.

If anyone knows of any TII diffs for sale lmk, I can't seem to find any ATM

FAB 04-15-2014 12:31 AM


Originally Posted by BoostedSmurf (Post 1121749)
Thanks Bryan, I'm pretty certain that's what I broke but I'll find out whenever I actually crack the trans open. Sorry about never getting back to you about those parts I wanted. I was waiting to see if anything would come up when the car was back on the road and looks like its good I did that with a transmission breaking less than 24 hrs into having the car out. I'll have to wait a bit before buying those parts but I still plan on getting them.

Redoing all my research for the TII swap now that I actually have to start piecing everything together. This is going to be more work than anticipated but the car will be going to a friend's house where there is a hoist. He is also a welder and machinist which should make like a lot easier when it comes to installing everything.

I already own the TII transmission but need to source a custom clutch, driveshaft, TII rear end w/ axles, and have some rear hubs machined.

If anyone knows of any TII diffs for sale lmk, I can't seem to find any ATM

No worries - As far as the driveshaft, there is a local company that has modified driveshafts in the past for me. Let me know when you're ready and I'll put you in touch or help facilitate the changes you'll need. Not an expensive endeavor.

BoostedSmurf 04-15-2014 12:37 AM


Originally Posted by FAB (Post 1121751)
No worries - As far as the driveshaft, there is a local company that has modified driveshafts in the past for me. Let me know when you're ready and I'll put you in touch or help facilitate the changes you'll need. Not an expensive endeavor.

Appreciate that! I'll be buying the adapter plate this week which will let me bolt the trans to my motor, then I just need to find a diff so I can get the measurements for driveshaft length.

BoostedSmurf 04-20-2014 11:38 PM

Went to Cars & Coffee with a friend in his e36 m3 on Saturday and couldn't take the entire not having the car out with all this nice weather. Also ran into another friend at C&C who had a 5 speed and a BNIB clutch disk, bought the transmission and got the clutch for free.

Got home at 10pm, jacked the car up, installed the new clutch, transmission, and then put my torsen back in which I just removed to sell as a means of funding the TII swap. Started at 10pm, and finished up around 4am, but my car is back on the road!

Although it may be time to start taking it a bit easier on the car for a bit until I have more TII parts ready to go in. Almost turned the boost down today but decided against it; I'll see if that's something I have to pay for in the next couple weeks lol

BoostedSmurf 04-23-2014 03:54 PM

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Cut my bumper today in preparation for the left exit exhaust going on this weekend. Still needs to be smoothed out a little bit, but that'll happen on the weekend.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1398282860

Fireindc 04-23-2014 03:56 PM

Looks pretty damn neat man. Digging the silver wheels. Also, don't turn down the boost.. just don't beat the everliving shit out of the car like you were and it will be fine :giggle:

BoostedSmurf 04-23-2014 04:20 PM

haha thanks, the wheels are white btw ;)

yea, I've been taking it much easier on the car since its back out. but I do have a leaking brake caliper now that isn't getting any better lol, need to try to find a new one

miata2fast 04-24-2014 04:46 PM

So, the white marks, have you been drifting?

Fireindc 04-24-2014 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by miata2fast (Post 1125031)
So, the white marks, have you been drifting?

quick, GET HIM!

BoostedSmurf 04-24-2014 04:48 PM

Nah, I bought the car like that. Just haven't got around to painting the car. Figured boost is more important than paint lol

miata2fast 04-24-2014 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by BoostedSmurf (Post 1125035)
Nah, I bought the car like that. Just haven't got around to painting the car. Figured boost is more important than paint lol

Likely story. I am going to have to contact Brain to look into the matter.

Anyways, what's next on the agenda for the car?

BoostedSmurf 04-25-2014 12:03 AM

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It is currently getting an exhaust made. That should be done Saturday. Then it'll be continued saving and gathering of parts for my TII swap as well as some dyno time for more tuning.

Also, desperately need wheels and tires.

Here's a pic of the car on the lift at my friend's place where its getting the exhaust made
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1398398582

hornetball 04-25-2014 11:27 AM

Just noticed that Tirerack sells the new Advanti's. You could get a ready-to-mount wheel+tire combo from them in 15x9 with 225 Rivals/Gen 2 RS-3s for sub-$1K. The Advanti's are less than 12.5#s in 15x9. Amazing.

BoostedSmurf 04-25-2014 02:40 PM

That's the wheel and tire setup I'd like to get, but realistically with how I've been spending money on the car just to get it out, the new wheels and tires are a month or two away.

BoostedSmurf 04-27-2014 02:22 AM

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Exhaust is built and installed. Love the sound of it. Videos are currently uploading, I'll link them here tomorrow. For now though, pics!

Miata and turbo LS fc project in the garage
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1398580103


https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1398579746
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1398579746

New flex pipe with custom flanges to go from 2.5" DP to 3" exhaust
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1398579746

Will get some pics of it on the ground in proper lighting tomorrow. All the pics from tonight didn't turn out well since it was too dark.

hornetball 04-27-2014 10:22 AM

Looks great.

Is that YOUR garage? Green with envy here.

BoostedSmurf 04-27-2014 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by hornetball (Post 1125826)
Looks great.

Is that YOUR garage? Green with envy here.

I wish! It's my friend's place

BoostedSmurf 04-27-2014 10:33 PM

Videos!






Fireindc 04-28-2014 12:16 AM

Dude, thanks for taking videos and sharing. Looks like she is running really strong, i can only imagine it at 15+psi. It sounds almost exactly like my car :) Hows the new trans feel?

BoostedSmurf 04-28-2014 07:37 PM

It's running pretty well right now but I can't wait to get EBC setup, having to manually turn down the boost on cooler nights is annoying. You can hear in the videos I hit boost cut a couple times.

The new trans seems to be doing well for the time being but I really need to source more TII stuff so I'm not so scared to get on it more frequently, since if you guys can't tell, that's how the car gets treated when its out. So yea, bulletproof-ish drivetrain is needed lol.

I might have the opportunity to move into a full-time salary position at work now that I'm done school which will help out a lot with building the car in comparison to the part-time student wages I'm on right now.

Erat 04-28-2014 09:32 PM

row row row your miata gently down the interstate,
Easy easy easy now, 6 speeds are just a dream.

FAB 04-28-2014 10:37 PM


Originally Posted by Erat (Post 1126299)
row row row your miata gently down the interstate,
Easy easy easy now, 6 speeds are just a dream.

Yeah I've done some homework on the swap and I'm uninterested in the TII thus far.

I just dropped my 6-speed to be rebuilt and I'm expecting relatively good news. I don't think my troubles were related to weak parts, I think something is just misaligned or one of the selector rods has been gunked up or bent.

Based on the picture of your PPF above I'm guessing you have a 5 speed in now? Maybe you should get more feedback from 6 speed owners before you start gathering parts? Just looking out for you sir. Overbuilding is never a bad thing but there are a handful of negative trade offs when considering the TII.

BoostedSmurf 04-29-2014 04:47 PM

Yes I do have a 5speed in right now. I know TII will be able to hold more power than a 6speed. Also, TII I'll trap in 4th gear rather than 5th if I had a 6speed. Less shifting in the 1/4 is a good thing.

Solid diff and trans mounts of the TII should also help eliminate wheel hop, which the PPF doesn't really help with at all.

What are negative trade offs you see for the swap?

FAB 04-29-2014 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by BoostedSmurf (Post 1126704)
Yes I do have a 5speed in right now. I know TII will be able to hold more power than a 6speed. Also, TII I'll trap in 4th gear rather than 5th if I had a 6speed. Less shifting in the 1/4 is a good thing.

Solid diff and trans mounts of the TII should also help eliminate wheel hop, which the PPF doesn't really help with at all.

What are negative trade offs you see for the swap?

Just a couple of things.. Slave mounts upside down (from what I've seen). Notching for the starter. Increased cabin noise from having to mount the trans and diff independently. Custom driveshaft. Harder overall to service... They all seem like "no-big-deal" items, but it adds up quickly.

Again this is just my opinion. I've already given up trying to 1/4 mile my car. It's an expensive marketing tool at this point. If you just make yourself aware of what you're getting into then the trade off could be very beneficial for you.

BoostedSmurf 04-30-2014 05:09 PM

Yea, I've done a lot of reading up on it and all those things you listed really don't seem like that big of a deal to me, especially when you look at the benefits of the swap.

FAB 04-30-2014 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by BoostedSmurf (Post 1127090)
Yea, I've done a lot of reading up on it and all those things you listed really don't seem like that big of a deal to me, especially when you look at the benefits of the swap.

Sounds like a good route to take then sir. :party: I'll keep an eye on how things progress. Might be a project I take on at the end of the summer, or sooner if things explode.

Fireindc 05-01-2014 12:34 AM


Originally Posted by Erat (Post 1126299)
row row row your miata gently down the interstate,
Easy easy easy now, 6 speeds are just a dream.


Jeffbucc 05-01-2014 12:43 AM


Originally Posted by Fireindc (Post 1127199)

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0-UJLYGIZg">YouTube Link</a>

That is still one of my favorite videos

Remind me to keep an oar in my Miata. Although, with half the HP, I may not be able to be as smug as that fellow.

BoostedSmurf 05-20-2014 11:47 AM

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So I thought I'd try figuring out my TPS issue from last fall today with the help of a friend. I was always getting a lot of noise in the TPS signal which made me run the car on MAPdot.

What we did was run a shielded wire from the TPS all the way to the ECU, soldering in the connections to the TPS wires from this pinout diagram:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1400600838

It is grounded at the ecu connector as well. In slot "2D" of that diagram.

Continuity was checked that all those wires before splicing in the new connections to make sure we got the right ones.

Now with the shielded wire we are still getting a little bit of noise, and sometimes the tps signal doesn't work at all. Tried repinning the connector but that didn't solve it.

Also, this is an essentially brand new Miata TPS that I bought from Autozone last fall.

Really not sure what else to try. Maybe an all new connector since it seemed a little finicky? Any other suggestions?

curly 05-20-2014 12:04 PM

I have the same issue with my BMW tps. I haven't tried a shielded wire. But it sounds like I won't bother.

With TPS dot, every once in a while it'll see a spike in throttle position, and dump fuel for accel enrichments, and I get a huge buck, cause I'm steady state cruising.

BoostedSmurf 05-22-2014 11:06 AM

Yea, it's kind of frustrating not being able to find out the issue here.

Any suggestions from anyone?

Jeffbucc 05-22-2014 04:40 PM

If you look in my thread several pages ago, you'll see my address this issue. I had tons of noise as well until I ran new wires back to the TPS signal pin, 5v TPS power, and a sensor ground. Solid as a rock with no variation.

BoostedSmurf 05-26-2014 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffbucc (Post 1133704)
If you look in my thread several pages ago, you'll see my address this issue. I had tons of noise as well until I ran new wires back to the TPS signal pin, 5v TPS power, and a sensor ground. Solid as a rock with no variation.

Took a look at your thread. I'll have to get in there and see how mine is compared to yours when I get a chance again.

Got Launch Control setup today. Might be going to the drag strip this coming Saturday so figured it'd be something to play with at the track.

Also raced a MK4 Supra today on the highway. Don't really have details on his car other than its slower than a Miata. Can't figure out how to embed because it was shared by his passenger and they posted it on Facebook instead of YouTube. It also appears to have been filmed with a potato.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152483722794459

Picture because I found it while looking through pictures of a decent sized car meet we had today. LS swapped FD in the background. And I should probably wash my car once in a while.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1401080093

Fireindc 05-26-2014 02:48 PM

Awesome picture with the FD in the background. Man, mazda cars of that era were so sexy and curvy.

Erat 05-26-2014 04:51 PM

I'll be at Milan Wednesday.

Hopefully not destroying my 5 speed...

Good luck at the track.

BoostedSmurf 05-27-2014 12:28 AM


Originally Posted by Erat (Post 1134484)
I'll be at Milan Wednesday.

Hopefully not destroying my 5 speed...

Good luck at the track.

Wasn't able to get the day off work for this Saturday. Looks like I'll have to wait to see what the car can do this year. Oh well, maybe my transmission will last a little longer this way.

BoostedSmurf 06-14-2014 02:29 AM

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I finally washed my car for the first time since last fall so I took a few pics. Finally some pics with the exhaust installed in daylight.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1402727370
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I also graduated from University today so I did a little celebratory burnout. And by little, I mean I need new tires again. These lasted less than 4 weeks lol

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1402727370
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https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1402727370
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Fireindc 06-14-2014 05:18 PM

I love the car and the new ride height/wheels. propz. That exhaust is pretty hideous though imo

miata2fast 06-14-2014 05:26 PM

I kind of like the exhaust personally. It is just a hint of rice, but not to much, and in a tasteful manner.

Erat 06-14-2014 07:29 PM

HAHA this car loves to do burnouts. I love it.

BoostedSmurf 07-05-2014 12:25 AM

I now have the vented block mod.

Brought the car out for the first time in a couple weeks and a guy at work didn't believe a miata could be as quick as I said. Took him for a ride, after blowing his mind about how quick a gay ass miata with a little 4-banger could be I showed him just how broken one could be too lol.

Will get pics up tomorrow or something when I pull the motor.

@Fab9 - I may be in touch soon!

18psi 07-05-2014 12:34 AM

atta boy :party:

now built it and make it faster

BoostedSmurf 07-05-2014 12:44 AM

I would like to if I can find a core to tear down. Problem is I just finished paying off my school loans and got switched to full time at work so this happened like 4 weeks before I was ready for it to happen and would have been able to get parts right away. Now I'm stuck waiting.

FAB 07-05-2014 12:59 AM

:facepalm:That's rough man. I've been there a handful of times.

Let me know what your plans are - I also have a block or two laying around. I'm in the middle of 3 customer engines (built long blocks). I'm sure I can save you on machine work too, when the time comes.

Post pictures naow. :naughty:

Erat 07-05-2014 07:41 AM

I know if he can't hook you up ^ i can hook you up with the guy that did the engine work for me.

I know he's almost set up to CnC our heads. He just CnCd a head for a buddy of mine. Plus any kind of other engine work you want done.

BoostedSmurf 07-06-2014 11:52 PM

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Well after a weekend of drinking my sorrows away and thinking about what i want to do with the car I still haven't come to a final decision lol. I've been planning out a build for this car for the past few months that I wanted to do over this winter but I might leave the car off the road for the next while now and just start that build now, at a much slower pace.

Unless I find a cheap, good condition, ready to drop in 1.8. Otherwise I want to just take the time to build the entire drivetrain to as close to bulletproof as possible. I'm sick of transmissions, diffs, motors blowing up every few weeks and I don't want to turn down the boost.

Anyways, here are some pics. I'll get better carnage pics when the motor is on its way out.

Where it happened, you can see where it goes from happiness to sadness very quickly:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1404705176

The all to familiar picture of my car on a flatbed:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1404705176

First look underneath I saw this. Yup, that's my starter! It's now in a few different pieces after getting hit by the internals flying out of my block
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1404705176

The little hole on the passenger side:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1404705176

What was left of my starter
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1404705176

The bigger hole on the driver's side, will get better pics after the motor is out of this one:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1404705176

Motor will either come out by Tuesday or in a month from now when I'm recovered from surgery that is coming up this Wednesday.

FMII kit, 5speed, torsen diff, etc, etc will likely be posted up for sale around the same time.

jimmyneutron 07-07-2014 02:11 AM

I'm impressed i have never seen a starter blow up before. Out of curiosity do you know how much power you were putting through it. In for built motor glory

hornetball 07-07-2014 09:59 AM

Holy shrapnel!!

BoostedSmurf 07-07-2014 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by jimmyneutron (Post 1146040)
I'm impressed i have never seen a starter blow up before. Out of curiosity do you know how much power you were putting through it. In for built motor glory

I don't know. It never went on a dyno. I was running 13-14 psi on an FMII kit with a 2560. I always guessed around 220-230whp but again i don't know for sure. Plan was to have it on the dyno in about a month but that obviously isn't happening now.


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