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aidandj 06-03-2015 05:47 PM

<p>Did I miss something? What happened to the &quot;tell us the voltage when running&quot;</p>

hi_im_sean 06-03-2015 05:51 PM

http://alankennedy.typepad.com/.a/6a...bdba970b-320wi

humming 06-03-2015 07:30 PM

nope, nothing missed, I'll get that measurement this evening, just wanted to be prepared if I determine the alternator is indeed bad.

humming 06-03-2015 08:30 PM

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also arrived today:
heat shield
http://pre09.deviantart.net/7cdd/th/...-d8vwjht.jpg?4

fan shroud
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1433377830

brake pads
http://img10.deviantart.net/e74c/i/2...ug-d8vwjaj.jpg

hi_im_sean 06-03-2015 09:02 PM

i have the same pads on mine.

ive been meaning to ask, how do i get a hood vent?

humming 06-03-2015 09:48 PM

Okay, so results:

Battery measured 12.50 even when I took it off the slow charge.
Battery measured 12.18 when car was running at idle with no other load(lights off, no radio, etc).
Battery measured 11.3 when I put electrical load to the car(AC on full, all lights on, etc).
Battery measured 12.10 when I turned the electrical load back off.

I'm thinking now I ought to pull the alternator and I'll get it tested at the FLAPS.

aidandj 06-03-2015 09:49 PM

<p>Bet you a tow hook the alternator is dead :P</p>

humming 06-03-2015 09:54 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1237481)
<p>Bet you a tow hook the alternator is dead :P</p>

haha, what do I get if it isn't? I'm not taking that bet anyways. :idea:

aidandj 06-03-2015 09:57 PM

<p>I'll pay you for one lol? Idk. Sounds like an alternator.</p>

hi_im_sean 06-03-2015 10:11 PM

definitely bad alternator.

Arca_ex 06-04-2015 01:58 AM

If you already checked your fuses and none are blown then almost definitely an alternator.

humming 06-04-2015 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by Arca_ex (Post 1237513)
If you already checked your fuses and none are blown then almost definitely an alternator.

fog light fuse was blown, replaced that before pretty much all other testing.

humming 06-04-2015 08:29 PM

http://img09.deviantart.net/18e2/i/2...-d8w19e8.jpg?1
fans soon I hope!

this heat shield was designed by joeereid on the mazdaspeed forum. he sent me a paper template, i put it in CAD and cut it. We will see how well it fits.
http://img15.deviantart.net/54ee/i/2...ug-d8w19bu.jpg

curly 06-05-2015 08:07 AM

Unless it's the 100amp, in which case your main relay won't trigger, it's never going to be a damn fuse. Stop talking about the fuses.

Double check the Alternator you buy has a life time replacement policy, I just picked one up for $165 at Baxters Auto. They're known to be bad out of the box, keep an eye on it for a few weeks, checking voltage at the battery every few days. If it doesn't hover around 14.5, just take it out and replace it for free.

humming 06-05-2015 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 1237783)
Unless it's the 100amp, in which case your main relay won't trigger, it's never going to be a damn fuse. Stop talking about the fuses.

Double check the Alternator you buy has a life time replacement policy, I just picked one up for $165 at Baxters Auto. They're known to be bad out of the box, keep an eye on it for a few weeks, checking voltage at the battery every few days. If it doesn't hover around 14.5, just take it out and replace it for free.

I've seen the "room" fuse do some WEIRD crap on both my MSM and my brothers '03.

That said, it's clear it's the alternator, I'm going to pull it tonight. I'm a cheap skate with 3 kids to feed, so I'm gonna try to re-build using the write up I linked above. Mikes Place here in phx has the bearings, autozone has the brush, and we will see if I can locate a regulator. If not, or if it still won't go then I'm only out a few bucks, and I've got a line on a lightly used MSM alternator that someone swapped with a NA alternator to solve an issue with their hydra.

Arca_ex 06-05-2015 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 1237783)
Unless it's the 100amp, in which case your main relay won't trigger, it's never going to be a damn fuse. Stop talking about the fuses.

You do know that there is a fuse in the miata that stops the alternator from charging if it goes out right... it was very possible that "it's a damn fuse" and they are easy to check, and now we know that's not it. It would suck to buy an alternator and find out that wasn't the problem, always start with the low hanging fruit.

ihiryu 06-05-2015 05:41 PM

How much for the intake heatshield? I hate where FM puts it, and was actually thinking about this the other day.

humming 06-06-2015 02:29 AM


Originally Posted by ihiryu (Post 1237995)
How much for the intake heatshield? I hate where FM puts it, and was actually thinking about this the other day.

Joeereid on mazda-speed designed it. PM him and he will send you a paper template for $0. I've yet to install this, it was kinda funky getting it into CAD so we will see if I got it right. If it does I might work out a deal with joe over on the mazda-speed forum to sell them for pretty reasonable, or just make the CAD available and anyone can get it waterjet cut locally. Whatever Joe wants to do.

ihiryu 06-06-2015 12:21 PM

Sounds good to me, there's not a water jet places around here.

humming 06-06-2015 02:33 PM

well, brushes look good, bearing is fine, looks like it's the regulator. New alternator time :-(

humming 06-06-2015 07:12 PM

New alternator in, charging at 14.5 volts when I've got the AC and lights on. Thanks everyone who helped me diagnose my issues!

aidandj 06-06-2015 07:15 PM

Called it! What did I win!

humming 06-06-2015 07:16 PM

2 stickers, you got them last week lol.

aidandj 06-06-2015 07:17 PM

They're already on lol

humming 06-08-2015 11:35 AM

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Well, the deed is done, I found a good deal on the fans I wanted on eBay:
Spal 30101504 12?? Medium Profile Fan Pull | eBay

$133 for both fans shipped.

so...
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1433777740
+
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1433777740https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1433777740
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https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1433777740

I hope...

ihiryu 06-08-2015 03:41 PM

Are you running a stock radiator?

I was thinking about doing cooling upgrades as well, my MSM doesn't overheat, but it feels like the A/C can't keep up in this TX heat.

humming 06-08-2015 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by ihiryu (Post 1238557)
Are you running a stock radiator?

I was thinking about doing cooling upgrades as well, my MSM doesn't overheat, but it feels like the A/C can't keep up in this TX heat.

Nope, 37mm koyo, but still have heating issues, my MSM is cursed. To be fair, the general consensus is that the 37mm koyo has more capacity, but is really only about as efficient as the OEM unit.

humming 06-08-2015 11:42 PM

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Brake questions:

about a 3 weeks ago my brakes started squealing a tiny bit, I made a note, ordered pads.

Last friday week they started making noise even just driving down the road. Alternator died monday so I quit driving the car and borrowed my wifes minivan for a few days. Got the alternator done saturday, and I was replacing my pads tonight, no problem with the fronts, when I got to the driver rear I couldn't get the caliper in. I had the car on a jack stand, in gear, no e-brake. I put a C-clamp on the piston but no matter how much I pushed, the piston wouldn't budge. Also noticed the boot on the slider was torn. See this pic:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1433821354
So I assume I need to either rebuild or replace my caliper, yes? Any recommendations on a kit?

front pads had a bit of life left, but I put in the new ones anyways.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1433821354

hi_im_sean 06-09-2015 12:49 AM

Intro turned build - Humming's '05 Lava Orange
 
<p>lol. remove plug in back, retract piston with allen wrench.</p>

aidandj 06-09-2015 12:52 AM

<p>Damn it Sean I wanted to answer, go to bed you wake up too early.</p><p>hes right, common rookie mistake, RTFM :)</p><p>theres a bolt on the back that covers up an Allen head adjustment bolt.</p>

hi_im_sean 06-09-2015 12:57 AM

Intro turned build - Humming's '05 Lava Orange
 
and don't forget to adjust the parking brake when your done. going to bed now.

aidandj 06-09-2015 01:05 AM

Turn until tight then back off a half turn or so.

humming 06-09-2015 08:03 AM

yeah, someone on clubroadster pointed me the right way. I've literally never once changed rear brake pads on anything I owned, I've never needed to before. At any rate, glad I don't need to rebuild them or anything. Thanks!

ofspunk7 06-09-2015 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by humming (Post 1238756)
yeah, someone on clubroadster pointed me the right way.

Don't feel too bad. This thing threw me for a loop as well. I was even following the brake guide in the garage thread from M.net. The rear Miata brakes are very interesting.

ihiryu 06-09-2015 11:35 AM

Yeah, when I first did the rear I couldn't get my ebrake to work. My C-Clamp was able to push it in, when I found out about the rear adjuster, it had a note saying I could have killed the rear calipers.

I almost wet myself.

Anyway, for adjustment, I could never get it right, so I pulled the ebrake up, and tightened the adjuster until the wheel wouldn't move. Then I backed off the adjuster until it would allow the wheel to move. Then I put it in the middle point, and all is well.

hi_im_sean 06-09-2015 04:32 PM

<p>inhave to admit the first time i did mine, i did the same thing.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>rob- i have a spare slider boot somewhere if you need it, theyre also only a few $$ at vatozone and oreallys</p>

humming 06-09-2015 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by hi_im_sean (Post 1238978)
<p>inhave to admit the first time i did mine, i did the same thing.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>rob- i have a spare slider boot somewhere if you need it, theyre also only a few $$ at vatozone and oreallys</p>


Thanks, it's already taken care of. Got it done after work today. I backed it out a half turn on the e-brake adjuster thing and that seems about perfect.

curly 06-10-2015 01:28 AM

Did you replace the oem alternator? Be ready to swap them every few months now. Or stock up on TCM $45 oem ones.

humming 06-10-2015 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 1239125)
Did you replace the oem alternator? Be ready to swap them every few months now. Or stock up on TCM $45 oem ones.

Yeah I did. Are the parts store ones really that bad? :-(

concealer404 06-10-2015 08:52 AM

Yep. I swapped 2 in one day on the MX6, then got smart and started having them tested before i left the store. 2 more failed out of the box before i got a 3rd one that passed.

Which i then installed.

And 2 months later it got flaky again.

Parts store alternators and starters are the worst things ever.

humming 06-10-2015 09:14 AM

guess maybe I should buy that one for $35 from m.net.

concealer404 06-10-2015 09:51 AM

Probably. You didn't turn your stock one in for a core, did you?

humming 06-10-2015 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 1239205)
Probably. You didn't turn your stock one in for a core, did you?

I did :-( I tried to find a greasy small shop alternator rebuilder but the two recommended by my friend had like a 2 week lead time. I start a new job monday so I wanted to get it taken care of by then. I guess I'm just gonna have to hope it's not too much of a pain, and if it is then I'll buy another OEM one at that point.

curly 06-10-2015 11:30 AM

Yeah, I check them out of the box after reading up on them here. First was bad, 2nd failed in a few months, 3rd is still on there running great.

Our enduro car was reading a perfect 14-14.5 volts when we drove it to get an alignment and back again, then after a trailered drive up to the Ridge, showed 20v. OEM MSM alternator (no different than NB2 alt) lasted around 14 hours of racing, showing a perfect 14-14.5 volts the entire time.

humming 06-13-2015 12:51 AM

Alternator is good so far.

Fans will hopefully be here tomorrow. If not then probably monday, they show up as having arrived in phoenix today.

I got a press brake and so my fab game is going way up! How do I not have a mig welder yet?

hi_im_sean 06-13-2015 08:44 AM

Intro turned build - Humming's '05 Lava Orange
 

Originally Posted by humming (Post 1240143)
<br />Alternator is good so far. <br /><br />Fans will hopefully be here tomorrow. If not then probably monday, they show up as having arrived in phoenix today.<br /><br />I got a press brake and so my fab game is going way up! How do I not have a mig welder yet?<br />

<br /><br />at home? envelope?

humming 06-13-2015 09:23 AM

Small, but good for what I need. 20" wide.
Press Brake For 20-Ton Shop Press — 24in. Length | Shop Press Accessories| Northern Tool + Equipment

humming 06-13-2015 10:59 PM

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http://img07.deviantart.net/e99c/i/2...ug-d8x7i9u.jpg

Very pleased with how it turned out. Also, these suckers are LOUD.

Video (I sound extremely nerdy) of the things turning on and off, they sound like turbine engines spooling up. I LOVE it. I used to work in the turbine engine industry, and so it's fun to have a bit of that sound around, even if it's not real.

m2cupcar 06-15-2015 07:40 PM

I had a single 16" 3000cfm spal straight blade and it would startle anybody next to me with their window down when it came on. But it would drop my temp and shut off in a matter of seconds.

humming 06-15-2015 11:33 PM

Well, first day of a longer commute, hottest day of the year so far.

Last week, 95-100°F, coolant temps reached max of 220° before I rolled down the windows and turned on the heater to help cool it down(so it never reached it's max temp really).

Today, 110°F, coolant temps peaked at 213° and I never turned the AC off. Most of the drive home temps were around 204°.

I'm not done fighting this yet, but I'm very happy with the fans!

ozbrock 06-15-2015 11:39 PM

Awesome! Glad things are finally cooling down for you.

humming 06-15-2015 11:43 PM


Originally Posted by ozbrock (Post 1240785)
Awesome! Glad things are finally cooling down for you.

I'd like to get temps down to 190 for the cruise home. We'll see. I have a cursed miata I think.

hi_im_sean 06-16-2015 09:00 AM

Intro turned build - Humming's '05 Lava Orange
 
I know that car should have the revised flow path hg, but have you done a re route yet?

ozbrock 06-16-2015 04:57 PM

From what I understand, a coolant reroute on an MSM won't work correctly unless you swap out the head gasket.

hi_im_sean 06-16-2015 05:26 PM

That's not true

ozbrock 06-16-2015 08:24 PM

That's not the consensus on the MSM forum...

An idea regarding the coolant rerouting..
Coolant reroute/head gasket swap
Coolant reroute modification modification.

Edit:
M.net up in the mix
Head gasket for 1999 and 2001+ different? - MX-5 Miata Forum

hi_im_sean 06-16-2015 08:29 PM

<p>im known to have a shitty memory, but i thought ive read here on mt.net that it didnt matter, and that some of the turbo track guys have tried both with no differnce. these were new head gaskets obviously. i can see an older head gasket having clogged arteries to the point of casuing the overheating;&nbsp;like one of the guys in the link you posted had. i could be wrong.</p>

humming 06-16-2015 10:03 PM

no coolant reroute yet. It doesn't seem like something I could do on a saturday, so it's gotta wait until the MSM is no longer my only car for getting to/from work.

Plus side: The fans are working great, highest temp today was 210, but stayed at 199-204 for most of the drive with 109 ambient temps.

Next I'll get a 180F t-stat and drill a bigger bypass hole, and also go to 100% distilled+water wetter. Currently running 80/20.

hi_im_sean 06-16-2015 10:05 PM

<p>ozbrock is right, i think i was confusing na1.8 and nb1.8 head gaskets. so igonore me, sorry for the misinfo and no reroute for you, unless you want to do head gasket.</p>

humming 06-16-2015 10:13 PM


Originally Posted by hi_im_sean (Post 1241084)
<p>ozbrock is right, i think i was confusing na1.8 and nb1.8 head gaskets. so igonore me, sorry for the misinfo and no reroute for you, unless you want to do head gasket.</p>

yeah, the MSM is problematic. oh well. IIRC it has an even weirder/more wrong cooling path than normal miatas.


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