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Mad Scientist's Noob turbo NA build thread - Rip me a new one
I've spent the last few months reading hours upon hours of build threads, browsing the forum, as well as sourcing parts for my very first turbo build on my NA6 Miata. (Once it blows up, I'm swapping in a 1.8L)
This is my first time boosting a car and I'm real excited to see how it'll turn out. Even if I blow it to smithereens, it's been a hell of a learning experience so far. I'll be tracking the progress of the whole build in this thread. Parts list (feel free to make any recommendations on what to add, remove, or replace): - Turbo, exhaust manifold, and downpipe from MKTurbo - Full Torsen conversion pulled from an '02 (driveshaft, axles, diff) - Begi coolant reroute kit bought from another user here - SpeedyEFI ECU - BMW 7 series TPS w/ 3D printed adapter - GM IAT - eBay intercooler piping - Z-Line Mishimoto intercooler - Innovate AFR gauge + wideband - Magnaflow 12589 muffler - ACT XT sprung clutch kit (rated for ~315ft-lb of torque) - Blue RX8 injectors (forgot the part #) Planned Parts List: - Walbro 190 fuel pump - Flow Force 640s (to replace blue RX8 injectors) - Supermiata clutch (to replace ACT XT) (08/07/2019 - Installing the ECU, making room in the engine bay for the new turbo + piping, and pulling the tranny) By this point, I had already swapped out the diff, rear axles, and driveshaft. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b731146c9b.jpg Empty bay https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...995fd694f3.jpg Things are looking good First time really seeing a car on a lift. Much easier to work on this VS jackstands. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...9e39965fbb.jpg Pulled out the tranny. This was really fun to learn how to do and also how all the components connect with each other and work in unison. |
You are on right track...
Speeduino is cool, got one myself and it's getting pretty good with all the latest firmware updates. If you go with the 1.6, you have to buy another exhaust manifold, when you switch to the 1.8. Maybe even a new DP. Don't know if the MK Turbo DP fits 1.6 AND 1.8. Starting with a BP would be easier in the future, just my 0,02$. You also need some bigger injectors (EV14?) and for safety reasons a new fuelpump. 190lph should be enough! |
Originally Posted by der_vierte
(Post 1544936)
If you go with the 1.6, you have to buy another exhaust manifold, when you switch to the 1.8. Maybe even a new DP. Don't know if the MK Turbo DP fits 1.6 AND 1.8.
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Ah, that wasn't clear to me.
Then cut that part out and get the fueling done :) |
Originally Posted by der_vierte
(Post 1544936)
You are on right track...
Speeduino is cool, got one myself and it's getting pretty good with all the latest firmware updates. If you go with the 1.6, you have to buy another exhaust manifold, when you switch to the 1.8. Maybe even a new DP. Don't know if the MK Turbo DP fits 1.6 AND 1.8. Starting with a BP would be easier in the future, just my 0,02$. You also need some bigger injectors (EV14?) and for safety reasons a new fuelpump. 190lph should be enough! I actually forgot to add that I had replaced the fuel injectors already. I put blue RX8 injectors in there. I will definitely look into replacing the fuel pump with something better. I'll have to do more research on it and update the parts list. Do you have any model recommendations that won't make my wallet explode?
Originally Posted by shuiend
(Post 1544966)
I use the same DP for both 1.6 and 1.8 setups. Only thing you have to change to upgrade is the manifold. I believe he already has a 1.8 manifold on hand if I remember correctly.
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Ditch the RX8 injectors and just get flow force 640s, Do a FM happymeal or Supermiata clutch instead.
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Got it. I'll note this down for future use.
Are the RX8 injectors that bad? |
Not THAT bad...
DW200 fuel pump is cheap, not too loud, more than enough. Or the Walbro 190. |
Thanks for the recommendation. :idea: Adding it to my planned parts list.
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Originally Posted by Mad Scientist
(Post 1545020)
Are the RX8 injectors that bad?
Also you should be able to stay on your stock fuel pump for a while. I ran my stock one in my 94 at 220whp for years. |
Originally Posted by shuiend
(Post 1545024)
They are not bad if you have legit RX8 injectors. The problem is China started flooding the market a few years ago and its hard to guarantee you are getting real injectors that flow the correct amount.
Also you should be able to stay on your stock fuel pump for a while. I ran my stock one in my 94 at 220whp for years. I'll take that fuel pump info into consideration. I remember seeing a formula in one of the stickied threads that tells you how much lph flow you'd need for a fuel pump based on certain variables.. I'll check it out and double check. Guess I'll have to do some maths to determine what I need. |
Even a stock pump is good for 250whp, IF its healthy.
I would replace it anyway, because its 20 years old and for 90$ pretty cheap... |
(08/09/2019 - New TPS adapter and disappointment)
So the vTPS that I got in the SpeedyEFI kit was shipped to me broken. We had to open it up and fix the internals to get it working again. Also, I got a present: a 3D printed TPS adapter with resin. Looks much better and should be able to withstand more heat. I'll post more pics of it here later. Turns out also that I was recommended the wrong clutch from the parts store that I bought it from. The clutch itself was ~9" and was too large to fit with my stock 1.6 flywheel. Big mistake on my end... I should have double checked with the parts store and do more due diligence. Welp... lesson learned there: never trust parts monkeys. Heading out to the shop today to see what they can do. Wish me luck. |
Just to make sure.... the 1.8 clutch (with large diameter) won't work with the stock 1.6 flywheel, right? I've tried to search the forum, but I couldn't really find a clear cut answer.
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No, you can’t mix and match. You can do a 1.6 clutch and flywheel in a 1.8 car, and 1.6 clutch and flywheel in a 1.8 car.. if you want. I read your original post, it says you were going to go with a SuperMiata clutch. What happened!? Return parts store clutch and buy from FM or SuperMiata and win.
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Originally Posted by shuiend
(Post 1545024)
They are not bad if you have legit RX8 injectors. The problem is China started flooding the market a few years ago and its hard to guarantee you are getting real injectors that flow the correct amount.
Also you should be able to stay on your stock fuel pump for a while. I ran my stock one in my 94 at 220whp for years.
Originally Posted by festersays
(Post 1545984)
No, you can’t mix and match. You can do a 1.6 clutch and flywheel in a 1.8 car, and 1.6 clutch and flywheel in a 1.8 car.. if you want. I read your original post, it says you were going to go with a SuperMiata clutch. What happened!? Return parts store clutch and buy from FM or SuperMiata and win.
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(08/26/2019 - Lots of stuff happened)
Haven't updated the thread in a couple of weeks... lots of stuff happening. - Installed the new TPS - powdercoated the valve cover - powdercoated the oil pan - installed new flywheel and clutch - drilled oil pan - installed oil feed and drain lines - started on the intercooler piping Decided to go right under the driver's side fender for the piping. Looks like there's way more room and looks cleaner than shooting it straight down. Thoughts on that? If I'm not mistaken, all I need to do now is mount the intercooler, finish up the piping, figure out what to do for air intake, hook up and tap all the lines, wire up the gauges and I should be good to go.. Am I missing anything here? For the air intake, I was planning on building an airbox right behind the master cylinder in the little cubby on the driver's side. I was told by a few mates that aftermarket air filters really suck for flow/filtering -- can anyone shed any light on this? Can't wait to start driving it! https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f421869967.jpg New 3D printed TPS adapter. Looks so clean :-) https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7711b58be4.jpg New 3D printed TPS adapter. Looks so clean :-) https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f3d26a233b.jpg Downpipe is in! https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...8fc4b4920d.jpg Valve cover back on the motor. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...bab27eeca7.jpg Getting started on the intercooler piping. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...e5bebd766c.jpg Getting started on the intercooler piping. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...0e6e877268.jpg New powdercoated red oil pan. Had to end up dropping the subframe, which was.... fun... Loving the way it looks so far. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...cf387c08a5.jpg New flywheel is in.... https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...5e9c4477d7.jpg ... and the clutch + pressure plate. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d792a81105.jpg Finally got the tranny back in. Boy was this one a battle lol. Had the hardest time aligning the splines. |
Anyone selling any used fuel pumps?
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I have a walbro 255lph hp gss341
About 2000 miles on it, pulled from the my turbo 95 ford escort I put back to stock Has a new universal sock, but I lost the clip that holds it on. New wire harness too. 65 shipped |
(09/23/2019 - More stuff happened - Car currently running)
So this will be a long post. I haven't updated this thread in forever due to my busy schedule, but we've been working on the car every weekend. Short summary of what happened: - Got the intercooler piping fabbed up - Powdercoated the piping + compressor housing - Fabbed up the exhaust system - Got the car running - For the first time in my life, I ended up driving a boosted car. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b9639a6e20.jpg Quick look at progress so far.... https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...27af1e3d2d.jpg More lookie looks :-) https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f73ca2efd8.jpg Initial mockup of the hot(ter) side of the intercooler piping. We decided to go right under the fender because it looked way cleaner and ended up having way less issues with clearance since the power steering wasn't in the way. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...91ac76a639.jpg Awwwww yeah... all mounted up in its glory :D https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ef29380f4b.jpg Another view of the initial mockup https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...71005424e1.jpg All welded up!! Special thanks to my buddy for welding this up. Honestly don't know how I could have done this without help. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...9acc4cd96b.jpg Initial mockup of the cold(er) side of the intercooler piping. We went around the rad with a pretty tight 180, into *almost* a 90 going straight up to the throttle body. The BOV is mounted on the vertical part right before the throttle body. There were some clearance issues with my passenger side tire with the steering wheel maxed out to the left. Fixed that bad boy up with a good ol' hammer. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...e7d4a57374.jpg All welded up, looking great so far! https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f027d5bc2c.jpg #dimes, baby https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a141e45501.jpg Awwwwww ye... close up on the piping going inside the fender. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...89ab5d15d9.jpg All the intercooler piping DONE and mounted! No pics of it, but the mounting bracket for the IC was pretty strong that it held up my full body weight. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7a9e25c2be.jpg Looking straight down from the TB. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...1b11a142da.jpg POWDERCOAT FTW! Went with wrinkle black to match the valve cover. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...51ad2be74e.jpg A closer look... also powdercoated the compressor housing and injected the letters with some red enamel paint. Looking good so far. Also, this is when we prepared all of the oil lines. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...cc3c673556.jpg A view of the oil drain line going down to the oil pan. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...83ec3b1e0d.jpg Started welding up the exhaust, thanks to my buddy for welding this up for me. We ended up having to mount the actual muffler on an angle to dodge any possible complications with the piping going around the diff. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a83649bc5a.jpg Another look at the bend into the muffler's inlet. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...0493a8a2ca.jpg Full view of the exhaust system, all welded up. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a3d36d12c2.jpg Side-by-side comparison with the old exhaust. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7603469d0c.jpg Gauges wired up and working!! Looks so seamless in those vents. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...bf0eda7be0.jpg Happy, happy car with a silly intake LOL. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...8253eac641.jpg The engine bay with everything installed and ready to run... The intake is temporary for now while we figure out how to route the piping for the actual airbox we'll be putting in... more of that in my next update post. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...cddb59c175.jpg After hours and hours of troubleshooting a shitty "PLUG-N-PLAY" ECU (SpeedyEFI), my buddies finally ended up getting it running. This is me leaving the car right after I first drove it on the highway... GODDAMN was it amazing. This was my first time driving a boosted car, and man oh man, I gotta say that I love how it turned out so far. Oh yeah... and those RX8 injectors I bought ended up being complete junk so I just reverted back to my stock injectors for now until I get a set of ID1050X's. My next post will likely be about the airbox that we're making for the intake. It should turn out real nice when it's finished. HUGE THANK YOU to my buddies that helped me along this build the whole way through. I KNOW YOU'RE READING THIS, so thank you Fi and Muf for all of your help throughout this whole process. It's been a freaking blast building this thing with your help. I've never thought I'd learn so much about cars in the process. Without your utmost generosity, I really don't know where I'd be in this build right now; so thank you thank you thank you!!! |
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