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Braineack 07-13-2017 08:24 AM

you said nipple.

shuiend 07-13-2017 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1427405)
you said nipple.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...6ca18be5ba.png

thirdgen 07-13-2017 09:40 AM

Hooray for boobies!

Steve Dallas 07-13-2017 10:18 AM

^ Of course, he means man boobies!

ridethecliche 07-13-2017 12:29 PM

Turbo does not have a nipple.

Sadly.

Thirdgen liked it so much that he kept it for himself.

sixshooter 07-13-2017 01:23 PM

Pre tb. Always pre tb for wg.

Post tb for bov and ecu.

ridethecliche 07-13-2017 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1427474)
Pre tb. Always pre tb for wg.

Post tb for bov and ecu.

Yup.

As I understand it, I can have the bov going to the IM and need a source between the IC and TB that goes to the ebc then the wg. It's in the works. I just thought I could get the EBC working in the interim.

ridethecliche 07-14-2017 10:04 PM

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Thought I'd just post these up so folks can take a look if they're so inclined.

I realize that the plumbing is far from optimal, but imho there's no reason that EBC shouldn't be functioning at some level. Blow test confirmed that the EBC was plumbed right and working (clicking solenoid etc.). I don't even hear it clicking when driving around.

Any input? The boost caps out at 8 psi which is essentially wastegate here. It's set to go up to 10-12 psi but isn't even close to doing that.

stefanst 07-14-2017 10:15 PM

In the attached log you never went full throttle, so your boost target never exceeded 143kpa.
EBC didn't kick in....
You need to use the gas-pedal to increase boost.

ridethecliche 07-15-2017 12:33 AM

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Whoops, sorry.

In that log, EBC duty goes to 80 though. In these two logs I had EBC duty set to 60 and I was still on wastegate.

The TPS sensor reads 100.2% in these logs, so the issue from the previous log shouldn't be there.

Steve Dallas 07-15-2017 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by stefanst (Post 1427862)
In the attached log you never went full throttle, so your boost target never exceeded 143kpa.
EBC didn't kick in....
You need to use the gas-pedal to increase boost.

He's scared of the gas pedal, and he wants it more firm. :jerkit:


Originally Posted by ridethecliche (Post 1425600)
On an unrelated note, is there any way to make the gas pedal more firm? Mine just feels like it lacks feedback and is way too touchy. I wish it had a little bit more resistance...


ridethecliche 07-15-2017 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by Steve Dallas (Post 1427905)
He's scared of the gas pedal, and he wants it more firm. :jerkit:

Hahaha.

I actually adjusted the slack in the cable which fixed that issue. There was a ton of slop in it, which shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

In the log that stefanst is referring to, I backed off because boost stopped going up. It was apparent to me looking at the gauge but I guess not so much from the log.

Braineack 07-15-2017 11:36 AM

where's the picture of how you have your EWG plumbed nothing like I outlined?

18psi 07-15-2017 11:50 AM

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

stefanst 07-15-2017 01:24 PM

Also, the last batch of logs you attached boost duty only goes up to 60%, not 80%

ridethecliche 07-15-2017 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1427918)
where's the picture of how you have your EWG plumbed nothing like I outlined?

Outlined in your guide you mean?


Originally Posted by stefanst (Post 1427935)
Also, the last batch of logs you attached boost duty only goes up to 60%, not 80%

It was set to 60 earlier before I upped it to 80. Didn't make any difference. I'll get another pull today.

ridethecliche 07-15-2017 01:44 PM

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...51d78e06ab.jpg


A is the boost source on the lower of the 2 ports, B is the side heading to the ewg.

sonofthehill 07-15-2017 03:08 PM

:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

That's the crappiest picture, which shows nothing.

ridethecliche 07-15-2017 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by sonofthehill (Post 1427948)
:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

That's the crappiest picture, which shows nothing.

It shows that the ports are correct. That's what I think brain was asking.

Regardless, I got it to work... Boost came on pretty fast earlier, but now I see 10 psi in the blink of an eye. I'm now stuck with the same shit eating grin I had when I first drove this car with boost.

Steve Dallas 07-16-2017 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by ridethecliche (Post 1427949)
Regardless, I got it to work... Boost came on pretty fast earlier, but now I see 10 psi in the blink of an eye. I'm now stuck with the same shit eating grin I had when I first drove this car with boost.

How long before this thread is renamed, "Ride the Roids Runs Out of Talent!"?

thirdgen 07-16-2017 09:20 AM

I'm still trying to wrap my head around why somebody would grin after eating shit.

Braineack 07-16-2017 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by ridethecliche (Post 1427939)
A is the boost source on the lower of the 2 ports, B is the side heading to the ewg.

where exactly is the boost source? what exact port on the EWG? (yes, what you pictured looks correct to my docs, but not to my post)

When you are doctor in your country, I hope you don't start operating because a patient goes "Doc, my foot hurts"

:rofl:

ridethecliche 07-16-2017 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1428024)
where exactly is the boost source? what exact port on the EWG? (yes, what you pictured looks correct to my docs, but not to my post)

When you are doctor in your country, I hope you don't start operating because a patient goes "Doc, my foot hurts"

:rofl:

​​​​​You realize that I'm an American right?

The boost source and ewg port are the same as they were pre EBC.

EWG: There's only one port connected on the wastegate which Todd had installed. The second port on the ewg doesn't have a port connected.

The boost source is the IM. The BOV is connected in the circuit with the IM heading to the EBC boost source.

The system is working now. I just need to tune ebc because I keep hitting boost cutoff. The spool is instant which is awesome, but I hit fuel cut the second I put my foot on the floor.

Pretty sure I finally hit 200hp haha.

sixshooter 07-17-2017 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by ridethecliche (Post 1428061)
​​​​​
The boost source is the IM.

You are doing it wrong. STILL.

Girz0r 07-17-2017 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ridethecliche (Post 1428061)
​​​​​The boost source is the IM.

Attachment 230590

18psi 07-17-2017 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1428024)
When you are doctor in your country, I hope you don't start operating because a patient goes "Doc, my foot hurts"

:rofl:

Nah, he'll cut off both arms and then realize it's not even the right patient

sixshooter 07-17-2017 04:50 PM

The WG or EWG should never be referenced to the IM. Never. Not ever. NEVER. NOT EVER.

The EWG or WG should be referenced somewhere between the TB and the compressor. It should not ever be on the intake manifold or any of its plumbing. Never. Not ever. No, not even this time. I don't care what she said. Don't do it that way. Don't touch the intake with it. I said no. Stop it. Quit it now or you will be in big trouble. Just wait until your father gets home. Leave the intake manifold alone. Put it in the intercooler piping like everyone told you. Intercooler piping. Right now. Do it. Do it now. I'm watching you. Put the line on the intercooler piping. Put it there now. OK, that's it, mister. You are in so much trouble. You better put it where I told you right now. Do it. Right now. Do it. I'm serious. Do it now.

ridethecliche 07-17-2017 05:03 PM

:bowrofl:

I already posted earlier that I knew it was wrong. I just wanted to get things working while the parts I need show up.

Things are working. So I'm working on things as they arrive and tuning when I have time in the interim. The routing is working. For the moment, I have functioning EBC. I call that a win.

concealer404 07-17-2017 05:15 PM

That's not "working." You know it's wrong, just fix it. There's not a single part that you could possibly be waiting on that necessitates you fixing a bad thing in the meantime.

sixshooter 07-17-2017 06:32 PM

WG won't open at part throttle boost and you risk over spinning/over boosting the turbo plumbed that way.

18psi 07-17-2017 06:42 PM

But it makes some seriously awesome noises tho :)

ridethecliche 07-17-2017 08:28 PM

Hm. I hadn't heard any turbo flutter tbh.

I know this because when I drove the car for the first time, I had forgotten to plug in the BOV.


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1428266)
WG won't open at part throttle boost and you risk over spinning/over boosting the turbo plumbed that way.

Why wouldn't the WG open?

Wouldn't the BOV be responsible for doing that? I can hear the BOV go off every time I take my foot off the gas.

Like I said, I'm working on it. Car has honestly not been driven all that much in the past few weeks because of rotations. I drive the subie for rotations.

On a learning note: If the BOV is connected to the 'circuit' before entering the EBC, why wouldn't things open? The BOV is responsible for releasing the built up pressure when letting off at part throttle right? So if I let off the throttle, it senses the pressure differential and opens. This is how its been happening anyway. If the BOV was connected PAST the EBC, i.e. on the way to the WG, then I can see having an issue.

Braineack 07-17-2017 08:39 PM

no pictures, you filthy american!

ridethecliche 07-17-2017 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 1428259)
That's not "working." You know it's wrong, just fix it. There's not a single part that you could possibly be waiting on that necessitates you fixing a bad thing in the meantime.

unrelated note: installed sliders on all the shocks


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1428286)
no pictures, you filthy american!

:(

sonofthehill 07-17-2017 09:04 PM

Last piece of advice from me, totally serious.

You need to fix your boost source. Then you should disconnect EBC and just run wastegate pressure. I am not going to make any predictions, leave that to 18. However, that is what you should do.

sixshooter 07-18-2017 07:35 AM

Holt on. Imma draw u a pictor.

dr_boone 07-18-2017 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by ridethecliche (Post 1428284)
Hm. I hadn't heard any turbo flutter tbh.

I know this because when I drove the car for the first time, I had forgotten to plug in the BOV.



Why wouldn't the WG open?

Wouldn't the BOV be responsible for doing that? I can hear the BOV go off every time I take my foot off the gas.

Like I said, I'm working on it. Car has honestly not been driven all that much in the past few weeks because of rotations. I drive the subie for rotations.

On a learning note: If the BOV is connected to the 'circuit' before entering the EBC, why wouldn't things open? The BOV is responsible for releasing the built up pressure when letting off at part throttle right? So if I let off the throttle, it senses the pressure differential and opens. This is how its been happening anyway. If the BOV was connected PAST the EBC, i.e. on the way to the WG, then I can see having an issue.

The BOV and the WG are 2 completely different systems doing completely different things and have nothing to do with each other.

sixshooter 07-18-2017 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by dr_boone (Post 1428353)
The BOV and the WG are 2 completely different systems doing completely different things and have nothing to do with each other.

And they are looking for two different signal sources.

18psi 07-18-2017 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1428351)
Holt on. Imma draw u a pictor.

someone hold his beer

ridethecliche 07-18-2017 11:48 AM

Ohh Ohhh Pick me! Pick me!

sixshooter 07-18-2017 12:15 PM

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Ok, her is teh pictor i drawed. Is rish an his miata drivin.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...-his-miata.jpg

18psi 07-18-2017 12:22 PM

:laugh:

sonofthehill 07-19-2017 01:38 AM

It's almost "Starry Night" ;)

ridethecliche 07-19-2017 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1428421)
Ok, her is teh pictor i drawed. Is rish an his miata drivin.

Omg it's bootifool

😍😍😍

sonofthehill 07-19-2017 11:42 AM

Sounds like a thread title change might be in order.

Something like rtc goes rtb, rhoid the bootyfool seems more like a petite member ;)

Hey Aidan, did you ever find the change user name button?

shuiend 07-19-2017 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by sonofthehill (Post 1428625)
Sounds like a thread title change might be in order.

Something like rtc goes rtb, rhoid the bootyfool seems more like a petite member ;)

Hey Aidan, did you ever find the change user name button?

Aidan does not have the power to change user names. Only admins can do that, and we tend not to unless it is a really good reason.

sixshooter 07-19-2017 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 1428637)
Aidan does not have the power to change user names. Only admins can do that, and we tend not to unless it is a really good reason.

Exactly. Just ask Peter Pan.

sonofthehill 07-19-2017 10:02 PM

:rofl:
Ok, Ok, I was just bein' obnoxious
:rofl:

Steve Dallas 07-19-2017 10:04 PM

As a certifiable full retard, I find this thread title defensive.

sonofthehill 07-19-2017 10:13 PM

They're talkin' bout his timing

Braineack 07-20-2017 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by Steve Dallas (Post 1428751)
As a certifiable full retard, I find this thread title defensive.

defensive? Because all our harsh abuse is directed towards RTC and not you? or because you're silly stupid and don't understand how words work?

Steve Dallas 07-20-2017 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1428790)
defensive? Because all our harsh abuse is directed towards RTC and not you? or because you're silly stupid and don't understand how words work?

That last one. :p

ridethecliche 07-20-2017 09:32 AM

Yeesh... If people think this is harsh abuse, they should try getting yelled at during surgery. Pretty sure the fetching Mr. Dallas was being self deprecating by saying defensive instead of offensive as well, heh.

In any event...

I installed a pre IC boost source yesterday. Need to go test it out and make sure there aren't any leaks or anything.

IC piping sucks to work with sometimes. I had to replace one coupler and it was a bitch getting everything lined up again after.

In any event... EBC and BOV are two separate circuits.
​​​​​​
EBC gets boost from a pre TB source and goes directly to the wastegate. BOV connects to the IM pre TB.

Edit: Bov connects POST TB on the IM. As boone said below, there's no such thing as a pre TB IM... Gahhhh....

dr_boone 07-20-2017 10:16 AM

The intake manifold is post throttle body......It sounds like you are heading in the right direction now.

aidandj 07-20-2017 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by ridethecliche (Post 1428808)
BOV connects to the IM pre TB.

Again reminded why I unsubbed.

BOV GOES POST THROTTLE BODY. OR IT WONT SEE VACUUM.

ridethecliche 07-20-2017 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1428824)
Again reminded why I unsubbed.

BOV GOES POST THROTTLE BODY. OR IT WONT SEE VACUUM.

Goddamit I meant to write post.

BOV is connected to the IM where the initial boost source was. Dammit.

Fucking seriously. I should have taken brains advice and taken a picture to spare myself the trouble of looking more inept than I actually am.

Fuck.

Edit: Boone got it. IM is post TB. I apparently can't communicate worth a damn. Haha sorry Aidan...

18psi 07-20-2017 12:32 PM

knowing you, we weren't so sure.

what's to stop you from mounting the tb onto the muffler? :D

sixshooter 07-20-2017 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by Steve Dallas (Post 1428751)
As a certifiable full retard, I find this thread title defensive.

As a certifiably defensive person, I find this thread retarded.

sonofthehill 07-20-2017 12:39 PM

:rofl:

18psi 07-20-2017 12:42 PM

and just like that, a new name was coined


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