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elior77 12-14-2016 03:31 PM

Starting a DIY build - NA8 - a good reliable 350hp
 
Hey,

I'm starting my ver2.0 turbo build, my current is a stock 1.8 NA 97 with TD04H-13C turbo (very small), I push it upto 15psi where it is out of efficiency but run very strong when the IAT is still normal around, 250whp.

Now I want a built engine and a setup that can put out around 350whp, I ordered some stuff and I was planning on a gt2560r, but I understand now that it will make past 300whp only in special cases of stroker engine and so...

Well, I got rods pistons and all the rest on the way, what turbo do I want... any chance no ending up with a 6000-7500rpm power band ?

On the way for now:
ebay rods+arp2000
arp head + main
complete engine kit, timing, water pump, oil pump, oversized 83.5mm stock pistons, all the engine gaskets- if the pistons will not fit I don't care - it is a great kit for it's price
injectors - currently RX7 460cc @ 92%, I need 800-1000cc I guess.

I got a custom tubular manifold.
FM stage 1 clutch NIB
EBC
DIYPNP - I tune it
6spd
NB LSD

I need the right turbo to get me to 350whp~

2560 @ 20psi will not put more then 300?

Thanks
Elior

ridethecliche 12-14-2016 04:43 PM

Fuel pump?

Sidewaystocurb 12-15-2016 12:59 AM

Which eBay rods?
2871 would be a good option.
Are you going to do pump or e85?

elior77 12-15-2016 02:03 AM

Fuel pump is a must over 300, so I'll get one.
Rods:
Connecting Rod Rods for Mazda MX5 MX-5 Miata B6 BP 1.6 1.8 Conrods ARP Bolts msr | eBay

Got them for 255$+the ARP2000.

2871 ? ok I'll check its map.
I see that the 6258 looks perfect - it is ?

elior77 12-15-2016 06:47 AM

The fuel system needs upgrade ? beside pump and injectors.

Thanks

shuiend 12-15-2016 08:00 AM

EFR 6258 is probably what I would be looking at. A 2560 might get you over 300whp on a perfect day out, but not much more then that.

Sidewaystocurb 12-15-2016 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by elior77 (Post 1381398)
Fuel pump is a must over 300, so I'll get one.
Rods:
Connecting Rod Rods for Mazda MX5 MX-5 Miata B6 BP 1.6 1.8 Conrods ARP Bolts msr eBay

Got them for 255$+the ARP2000.

2871 ? ok I'll check its map.
I see that the 6258 looks perfect - it is ?

Are those rods proven?

that turbo does seem perfect but I didn't mention it because of the price. Lol


Originally Posted by elior77 (Post 1381402)
The fuel system needs upgrade ? beside pump and injectors.

Thanks

to run e85 yes you'll need bigger than 460cc and a fuel pump.

elior77 12-15-2016 09:21 AM

6258 or 6758 ?
  • EFR6258: 150-325whp, ideal for pump gas and stock engines
  • EFR6758: 250whp-450whp, ideal for built engines or flex-fuel (E85)
.64 or .85 ar ?

Sidewaystocurb 12-15-2016 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by elior77 (Post 1381419)
6258 or 6758 ?
  • EFR6258: 150-325whp, ideal for pump gas and stock engines
  • EFR6758: 250whp-450whp, ideal for built engines or flex-fuel (E85)

you want the 6258.

elior77 12-15-2016 09:42 AM

I going for 350whp so I understand the 6258 is not there.

Sidewaystocurb 12-15-2016 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by elior77 (Post 1381425)
I going for 350whp so I understand the 6258 is not there.

Are you running e85 or pump? The bigger will give you headroom but, I still think the 6258 is a good fit specially if you're running e85

elior77 12-15-2016 09:57 AM

for now it is pump

shuiend 12-15-2016 09:58 AM

If you truly want 350whp reliability, you need forged pistons. You are already going to have to overbore for the larger stock pistons, might as well go a little bigger with the forged and not worry about them in the future.

elior77 12-22-2016 09:27 AM

Why not just change the rods and keep the pistons ?

psyber_0ptix 12-22-2016 10:13 AM

why go through all that work and leave it to chance?

elior77 12-22-2016 10:31 AM

How risky is that ? I know other engine run 400-500hp on stock pistons...

aidandj 12-22-2016 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by elior77 (Post 1382712)
How risky is that ? I know other engine run 400-500hp on stock pistons...

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...65935a822a.jpg

Other engines flow better
Other engines have more displacement
Other engines have a lower compression ratio
Other engines have forged pistons from the factory
Other engines...etc.

18psi 12-22-2016 11:41 AM

Why aim so low?
Go for 650whp on stock block

elior77 12-22-2016 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1382727)
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...65935a822a.jpg

Other engines flow better
Other engines have more displacement
Other engines have a lower compression ratio
Other engines have forged pistons from the factory
Other engines...etc.

Pistons are about heat not power.

aidandj 12-22-2016 11:53 AM

WTF does that have to do with other engines?

Power is heat.


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