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Braineack 03-02-2023 02:46 PM

unless it's an issue the left feels strongly about, then we ignore it and silence others talking about it...



journalism is supossed to govt our govt in check, the problem is modern journalist are just propagandists.

Joe Perez 03-02-2023 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1634876)
unless it's an issue the left feels strongly about, then we ignore it and silence others talking about it...

Heh.

Check into the ownership of WTAE. It's Hearst.

Then check into the political leanings of Hearst.

Hint: They made Politic-Ed's 2020 list of 15 Most Conservative Companies in the World. Not media companies, mind you, all companies. Also on said list are Hobby Lobby, Remington Arms, and the Trump Organization.

They also put their money where their mouth is. Their executives and board members contribute quite a lot of money to candidacies and lobbying groups. Most of them very red.


xturner 03-02-2023 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1634878)
Heh.

Check into the ownership of WTAE. It's Hearst.

Then check into the political leanings of Hearst.

Hint: They made Politic-Ed's 2020 list of 15 Most Conservative Companies in the World. Not media companies, mind you, all companies. Also on said list are Hobby Lobby, Remington Arms, and the Trump Organization.

They also put their money where their mouth is. Their executives and board members contribute quite a lot of money to candidacies and lobbying groups. Most of them very red.

This is puzzling. Hearst owns nearly all the newspapers in CT and a healthy chunk of the rest of New England, and the major theme of nearly all their opinion writers can be summed up as “Republicans - Threat or Menace.”

Joe Perez 03-02-2023 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by xturner (Post 1634882)
This is puzzling. Hearst owns nearly all the newspapers in CT and a healthy chunk of the rest of New England, and the major theme of nearly all their opinion writers can be summed up as “Republicans - Threat or Menace.”

Hearst consists of several different companies. The newspaper group is quite diverse, and their politics tend to reflect the region in which they are located. So, the San Francisco Chronicle and the New Haven Register are going to slant a bit differently than the San Antonio Express-News, for instance.

Consider their magazine portfolio, however. It consists, in part, of such bastions of liberalism as Country Living, Dr. Oz The Good Life, Road & Track, Popular Mechanics, Runners World, Men's Health, Good Housekeeping, Food Network Magazine, and Esquire.


Remember earlier when I praised Jon Stewart for his observations concerning "falling into absolutes and litmus-testing each other for our political allegiances?"

This conversation we're having now is a good example of that. It started with Brainey making an absolute statement about "modern journalists." But absolute generalizations are almost always false. Not all journalists are lefty government mouthpieces, not all Republican-aligned voters oppose same-sex marriage, not all Democrat-aligned voters oppose the Constitution, and not all web forums are run by a bunch of Satan worshipping child-rapists (only the ones owned by Internet Brands.)

But it's generally easier to make sweeping generalizations which imply that this is so, than to have nuanced conversations which acknowledge reality as it truly is.

Braineack 03-03-2023 08:57 AM

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cordycord 03-03-2023 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1634883)
Hearst consists of several different companies. The newspaper group is quite diverse, and their politics tend to reflect the region in which they are located. So, the San Francisco Chronicle and the New Haven Register are going to slant a bit differently than the San Antonio Express-News, for instance.

Consider their magazine portfolio, however. It consists, in part, of such bastions of liberalism as Country Living, Dr. Oz The Good Life, Road & Track, Popular Mechanics, Runners World, Men's Health, Good Housekeeping, Food Network Magazine, and Esquire.


Remember earlier when I praised Jon Stewart for his observations concerning "falling into absolutes and litmus-testing each other for our political allegiances?"

This conversation we're having now is a good example of that. It started with Brainey making an absolute statement about "modern journalists." But absolute generalizations are almost always false. Not all journalists are lefty government mouthpieces, not all Republican-aligned voters oppose same-sex marriage, not all Democrat-aligned voters oppose the Constitution, and not all web forums are run by a bunch of Satan worshipping child-rapists (only the ones owned by Internet Brands.)

But it's generally easier to make sweeping generalizations which imply that this is so, than to have nuanced conversations which acknowledge reality as it truly is.

I think your points are honorable, but reality runs closer to Brainey's absolutism. Take the makeup of nearly every college in America. Conservatives--if there are ANY--are afraid to speak up. Annual giving to political parties regularly runs 97% to 3%, in favor of Democrats or more likely Socialists. This includes Communications and Journalism schools. The average age of a journalist is 27 years old. In other words, they're barely experienced enough of life to understand it, let alone report on it.


Braineack 03-03-2023 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by cordycord (Post 1634905)
In other words, they're barely experienced enough of life to understand it, let alone report on it.

They don't report, they tell you what the government wants you to think.


https://media.patriots.win/post/8hgkVkOe0sLU.jpeg



They've already admitted that journalism is post-factual and need more opinions and racism because they know what's best for us -- which is not reporting facts.

Braineack 03-03-2023 01:46 PM

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/23/...s-i-was-wrong/


When I Covered Climate Change for Reuters I Thought CO2 Was Certainly to Blame for Rising Temperatures. I Was Wrong

BY NEIL WINTON

23 FEBRUARY 2023 7:00 AMThe BBC and the mainstream media regularly frighten everyone with the latest climate disaster news with pictures of floods, fires and hurricanes, always followed by scary predictions that things will only get worse unless mankind mends its irresponsible ways.

My alma mater Reuters, the global news agency, used to be above all this hysteria and would relentlessly apply its traditional standards of fairness and balance, but even this mainstream outfit seems to have sold out to the hysterics and axe grinders.

The trouble is, many if not all of these disaster stories, far from being another step in a worsening scenario, are often nothing of the kind. In a recent book Unsettled. What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn’t, And Why It Matters, Steven Koonin uses the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change data to show that if reporters took the trouble to do a minimum amount of checking, most of these incidents would appear to be natural disasters, yes, but not part of some ever worsening syndrome.

Economist Bjorn Lomborg has been pointing out for years that humans are having an impact on the climate, but technology will be a match for any problems. Current Government plans to combat climate change will squander massive amounts of taxpayers’ money and achieve very little in terms of stopping rising global temperature, Lomborg says.

Warmist politicians and lobby groups regularly trash the work of a significant group of climate experts, insulting them with unfounded accusations that they can’t be taken seriously because they have barely perceptible links with ‘Big Oil’ and are ‘climate change deniers’. Criticisms are mainly personal and not aimed at their work. Koonin and Lomborg also suffer the unethical ‘denier’ slur, so let’s destroy that canard first.

Every scientist knows the world’s climate has been gradually and occasionally irregularly warming since the last Ice Age over about 10,000 years. Nobody denies the climate is changing. The ‘denier’ charge is nonsensical. But it performs the useful function of making clear the user knows nothing about climate science. The argument is about the ‘why’ not the ‘if’. Warmists say all the warming is because of man’s activity. The rest say some, a little or none.

Education is another area where balance has been replaced by hysteria-inducing propaganda. Children shown demonstrating on the news are often borderline hysterical. No doubt their teachers didn’t bother to tell them that man-made global warming is a theory not a proven fact, and that it’s okay to talk about different opinions.

If you wonder why much of the mainstream media seem united in accepting that the world will soon die unless humans don hair shirts, freeze in winter and walk instead of driving, you need to know about websites like Covering Climate Now (CCN).

Reuters and some of the biggest names in the news like Bloomberg, Agence France Presse, CBS News, and ABC News have signed up to support CCN, which brags that it is an unbiased seeker after the truth. But this claim won’t last long if you peer behind the façade. CCN may claim to be fair and balanced, but it not only won’t tolerate criticism, it brandishes the unethical ‘denier’ weapon with its nasty holocaust denier echoes. This seeks to demonise those who disagree with it by savaging personalities and denying a hearing, rather than using debate to establish its case.

CCN advises journalists to routinely add to stories about bad weather and flooding to suggest climate change is making these events more intense. This is not an established fact, as a simple routine check would show.

I asked CCN about the nature of its dealings with Reuters and the likes of Bloomberg. Was it to thrash out a general approach to climate change reporting or to be more partisan?

CCN hasn’t replied.

I have a particular interest in Reuters’ attitude because I spent 32 years there as a reporter and editor. The global news agency’s traditional insistence on high standards in reporting makes this liaison with CCN seem questionable.

When Reuters announced its tie-up with CCN in 2019 it said this, among other things.
The (CCN) coalition, which includes more than 350 organisations [there are many more now] has no agenda beyond embracing science and fair coverage and publishing more climate change content.
That is clearly not true. It has a partisan agenda and encourages reporters to dismiss those with contrary opinions as ‘deniers’.

The statement went on to quote Reuters Editor-in-Chief Stephen J. Adler:
Reuters is committed to providing the most accurate and insightful coverage of the climate crisis, as it threatens the health, safety and economic well-being of people world-wide. Our hope is that our careful, factual reporting will help nations, businesses and individuals respond to the challenge rapidly and intelligently.
The idea of a ‘climate crisis’ is not widely accepted, but partisans shout about it. It is a very vague claim and hard to define or prove. By Reuters standards shouldn’t this include a balancing view? Certainly, many people believe that there is such a crisis, but lots of people don’t. The idea climate change threatens the health, safety and economic well-being of people worldwide is an assertion, not a fact.

The involvement of Reuters in CCN seems to me to be in direct contradiction to three of its 10 Hallmarks of Reuters Journalism – Hold Accuracy Sacrosanct, Seek Fair Comment, Strive For Balance and Freedom From Bias.

I asked Reuters for its reaction to criticism of its CCN involvement in a new book Not Zero by Ross Clark, published by Forum, and it said this in a statement.
Reuters is deeply committed to covering climate change and its impact on our planet with accuracy, independence and integrity, in keeping with the Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.
When I became Reuters global Science and Technology Correspondent in the mid-1990s, the global warming story was top of my agenda. Already by then the BBC was scaring us saying we would all die unless humankind mended its selfish ways. Carbon dioxide (CO2) was the culprit and had to be tamed, then eliminated. I had no reason to think this wasn’t established fact. I was wrong.

My Reuters credentials meant that I had easy access to the world’s finest climate scientists. To my amazement, none of these would say categorically that the link between CO2 and global warming, now known as climate change, was a proven scientific fact. Some said human production of CO2 was a probable cause, others that it might make some contribution; some said CO2 had no role at all. Everybody agreed that the climate had warmed over the last 10,000 years as the ice age retreated, but most weren’t really sure why. The sun’s radiation, which changes over time, was a favoured culprit.

My reporting reflected the wide range of views, with Reuters typical “on the one hand this, on the other, that” style. But even then, the mainstream media seem to have run out of the energy required, and often lazily went along with the BBC’s faulty, opinionated thesis. It was too much trouble to make the point that the BBC’s conclusion was challenged by many impressive scientists.

Fast forward 20 years and firm proof CO2 was warming the climate still hasn’t been established, but politics has taken over. Sure, there are plenty of computer models with their hidden assumptions ‘proving’ man is guilty as charged, and the assumption that we had the power and knowledge to change the climate became embedded.

The Left had lost all of the economic arguments by the 1990s, and its activists eagerly grabbed the chance to say free markets and small government couldn’t save us from climate change; only government intervention could do that. Letting capitalism run free was a certain way to ensure the end of the planet; smart Lefties should take charge and save us from ourselves.

The debate about climate change is far from over. I’m not a scientist so I don’t know enough to say it’s all man-made or not. But politicians and lobbyists have decided that we are all guilty. They are in the process of dismantling our way of life, ordering us to comply because it’s all for the future and our children. If we are going to give up our civilization, at the very least we ought to have an open debate. Journalists need to stand up and be counted. The trouble is that requires bravery and energy, and an urge to question conventional wisdom.

Reuters should be leading this movement. All it has to do is stand by its 10 Hallmarks. And maybe tell CCN thanks but no thanks; it needs to apply Reuters principles to its climate reporting.

Neil Winton worked as a journalist at Reuters for 32 years, including as global Science and Technology Correspondent. He writes at Winton’s World.


Braineack 03-04-2023 08:45 AM

why?


https://media.patriots.win/post/MAnzqydhg2h0.jpeg


going to collect some of that stimi money?

Joe Perez 03-04-2023 12:39 PM

Speaking of climate change, this kid has figured out how to fix it:


Just stop farming. Easy. Done.

Braineack 03-04-2023 04:11 PM

for joe.


Joe Perez 03-04-2023 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1634958)
for joe.

Thank you.

cordycord 03-04-2023 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1634906)
They don't report, they tell you what the government wants you to think.


https://media.patriots.win/post/8hgkVkOe0sLU.jpeg



They've already admitted that journalism is post-factual and need more opinions and racism because they know what's best for us -- which is not reporting facts.

This man clearly slunk right back to his momma's basement after the interview. "It puts the lotion on its skin..."

Braineack 03-04-2023 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1634959)
Thank you.

62% vs 3%.

Joe Perez 03-04-2023 09:37 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1634967)
62% vs 3%.

I appreciate you thinking of me.


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Braineack 03-06-2023 02:57 PM

joe's new crush:


Joe Perez 03-06-2023 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1635020)
joe's new crush:

(hysterical, crying snowflake)

Pretty sure that's exactly the opposite.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7e2c416485.png



This is, however, a good illustration of absolutism as we were discussing a few days ago.

The fact that I do not always agree with you 100% of the time when it comes to former President Trump and the news media, in your mind, means that I am a liberal clown.

cordycord 03-06-2023 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1635029)
Pretty sure that's exactly the opposite.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7e2c416485.png



This is, however, a good illustration of absolutism as we were discussing a few days ago.

The fact that I do not always agree with you 100% of the time when it comes to former President Trump and the news media, in your mind, means that I am a liberal clown.

If you want it broken down, just listen to Thomas Sowell. It's a short clip--only 2 minutes, but every second is priceless. When he reiterates Rousseau's notion of the differences between liberals and conservatives, I think he nails it.


Joe Perez 03-06-2023 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by cordycord (Post 1635032)
If you want it broken down, just listen to Thomas Sowell. It's a short clip--only 2 minutes, but every second is priceless. When he reiterates Rousseau's notion of the differences between liberals and conservatives, I think he nails it.

(Video)

I feel as though you're still trying to convince me of something.

I'm already on your side.

The only areas in which we seem to meaningfully disagree is that I don't hold certain absolutist, binary notions such as "100% of commercial media are government shills" and "Donald Trump is an infallible god-emperor."

cordycord 03-06-2023 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1635035)
I feel as though you're still trying to convince me of something.

I'm already on your side.

The only areas in which we seem to meaningfully disagree is that I don't hold certain absolutist, binary notions such as "100% of commercial media are government shills" and "Donald Trump is an infallible god-emperor."

See? When you do that, you kinda ruin any chance at an adult conversation. Some of us try to have a rational discussion, and our posts get rewarded with hyperbole.....hyperbole hidden behind the context that you hate hyperbole. It's tedious.



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