Fiscal "conservatives" cost us money
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This is the same CBO that was claiming ObamaCare wouldn't add to the deficit, right? After they had initially claimed that it would add to the deficit?
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Originally Posted by blaen99
(Post 676413)
great proof. :jerkit::jerkit::jerkit::jerkit::jerkit::jerkit: well here's my "proof" against yours:
Originally Posted by cliffs form the bipartisan deficit commission's "The Moment of Truth."
1) The federal government is horribly managed. The commission report cites just a few examples, but they are doozies. Did you know, for example, that there are 44 separate federal job-training programs across nine federal agencies? Or that there are 20 different programs all studying invasive species? And 105 programs meant to encourage participation in science, technology and math? Or that few of them can show they are achieving their goals? There are thousands of examples like this, according to the report. 2) Health reform's cost savings apparently were bogus. Remember how Democrats boasted that health reform would cut the budget deficit by $170 billion over the next decade and far more after that? The deficit commission must not have gotten that memo. It says health spending projections under the new law "count on large phantom savings" and the reform law's new long-term care program that the report calls "unsustainable." As a result, Congress will still need to enact "a number of other reforms to reduce federal health spending and slow the growth of health care costs more broadly." 3) Millions of workers don't pay into Social Security. One of the reform ideas is to require newly hired state and local workers to start paying into Social Security. Wait? Isn't Social Security mandatory? Turns out, almost 10 percent of workers don't pay in, since "a small share of states and localities exclude their employees from Social Security" and instead operate their own retirement systems. (Given Social Security's dire financial forecast, one wonders how those workers would feel about that reform.) 4) The tax code is a hopeless, loophole-riddled mess. How else can you explain the fact that, according to the report, you can lower the top marginal rate by 20 percent and still collect an additional $112,533 from the richest 1 percent of taxpayers, simply by closing loopholes? 5) Obama is a big spender. Although President Barack Obama has talked about fiscal discipline -- and set up this deficit commission -- his own budget plan would spend $349 billion more on so-called discretionary programs over the next decade than if the government were just left on autopilot, according to the report. 6) It's actually not that hard to cut the deficit. The report talks loudly about the "painful" choices ahead and how there's "no easy way out." But what the report really shows is that a comprehensive package of relatively modest and reasonable policy changes can bring deficits under control. The United States collects no more than 19% GDP per year. Obama is spending currently at 22% GDP. Do the math asshole. |
more on the "large phantom savings":
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How could adding an additional layer of expense make anything less expensive? Only a wholesale abandonment of critical thinking could lead one to that conclusion. Especially when that layer of expense is a government that is
I remember logic being taught in school when I attended. Perhaps it was an elective course... |
I'm with the government, I'm here to help.
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 676501)
How could adding an additional layer of expense make anything less expensive? Only a wholesale abandonment of critical thinking could lead one to that conclusion. Especially when that layer of expense is a government that is
so fuck you. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 676521)
so fuck you.
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Fucked: Since 1931.
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I'm totally going out to buy health insurance for everyone I know so I can have more money. I'm gonna be RICHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
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Question: How do I help fix the problem? How do I educate ignorant people on how to turn things around? What are the chances of me finding an outlet where I can say "I know the problem, and I am willing to make personal sacrifices, and give up government mandated entitlements to help solve the problem. I am not in the top 2% of income earners by any stretch of the imagination, and I do seem to see some sort of financial benefit from current fiscal policy, but I am willing to give that up because I see the bigger picture. Now who is with me?"
I'm not 35 yet, but how do I become the US president? |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 676639)
Fucked: Since 1931.
The Federal Reserve System (also known as the Federal Reserve, and informally as The Fed) is the central banking system of the United States. It was created in 1913 with the enactment of the Federal Reserve Act, largely in response to a series of financial panics, particularly a severe panic in 1907.[1][2][3] Over time, the roles and responsibilities of the Federal Reserve System have expanded and its structure has evolved.[2][4] Events such as the Great Depression were major factors leading to changes in the system.[5] Its duties today, according to official Federal Reserve documentation, are to conduct the nation's monetary policy, supervise and regulate banking institutions, maintain the stability of the financial system and provide financial services to depository institutions, the U.S. government, and foreign official institutions.[6] |
government has the easiest job in the world, all they have to do is sit there, do nothing, turn on the autopilot, and make sure we dont run into the ground. Instead, they all try to *justify* their jobs by creating policy that didn't need to exist in the first place. When is government going to *justify* their jobs by repealing unneeded shit?
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Originally Posted by fooger03
(Post 676668)
Question: How do I help fix the problem?
Shame is dead. We need to teach our children that all choices are not good and not equal. Some acts are shameful. Stealing is shameful. Taking anything that you haven't earned is bad. Knocking a girl up who you aren't married to is shameful. Experiencing shame is a useful by-product of possessing a conscience. Logic is a lost art. Practice it often and teach it to others. Take time to explain about fallacies when you encounter them. Teach it at every turn as if it were your dying native culture or language and you needed to preserve it. Study and teach the history of our nation's founding and all of her documents. Study the debates and writings of our founders that you might not be easily fooled. Don't expect minimum wage daycare wardens or the weak-minded masses that flock to the public teaching profession to teach your children anything. The vast majority of them are far less prepared than you. And they will never love your children. |
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Originally Posted by fooger03
(Post 676668)
Question: How do I help fix the problem?
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Also, reason the CBO claims that reapealing healthcare will cost money is because the rate that drug prices increase.
However, the reason they increase so much so rapidly is because the US Gov't spends 50% of all heath related costs. Medicare and Medicaid is THAT big. The drug companies constantly increase prices because the gov't will just pay whatever is handed to them. If 50% of your drug profits are from a customer that does not follow the law supply vs. demand will just pay whatever price you demand; you are going to increase prices. If you wanna fix healthcare and crazy prices, you need to remove gov't. Also you need to stop being in bed with interest groups: There is a thing called Medi-gap insurance for Seniors who want coverage beyond what Medicare gives. It is pretty expensive and is provided mainly by the AARP. In 2004, Plan C was added to Medicare that allowed Insurance companies to assume long term liabilities of Senior healthcare with no exclusions and all pre existing conditions were allowed. The program is called Medicare Advantage which is a voluntary HMO, PPO or Fee for Service insurance policy at little to no cost to Seniors. Ten million Seniors enrolled with lower premiums subsidized by the government, policies that cover what traditional Medicare doesn't cover including prescription drug benefits, eye and dental care … but it's not offered by the AARP. So Obama told the AARP he would kill Medicare advantage – if, in return, you endorse the bill. The current Senate bill takes $170 billion away from Medicare advantage and forces Seniors off Plan C. AARP is hoping that Seniors will need to buy Medi-gap insurance mostly sold by them. Most Seniors cannot afford Medi-gap and those policies does not include prescription drugs, eye and dental care. Medicare Advantage plans offer coverages that poor Seniors rely on. By Endorsing the Obama plan, AARP has betrayed their fiduciary responsibility to represent Seniors in their best interest. The financial gain for AARP will be unpresidented on the backs of our poor Seniors. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 676832)
Also, reason the CBO claims that reapealing healthcare will cost money is because the rate that drug prices increase.
However, the reason they increase so much so rapidly is because the US Gov't spends 50% of all heath related costs. Medicare and Medicaid is THAT big. The drug companies constantly increase prices because the gov't will just pay whatever is handed to them. Those who think that the solution to the cost problems in health care, is more gov't intervention, don't understand that the reason for the spiraling costs is gov't interventionism in the first place. Gov't interventionism is where the lobbyists get their influence. Compare the costs of procedures, drugs, and insurance for humans, vs. pets...... |
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