Jan Brewer, immigration laws
04-26-2010, 10:54 AM
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They're taking our jaaabbbbbsssssss.
I hate seeing this topic because I don't see what there is to be argued. They are illegal, so they should not be given any assistance and should be sent back as soon as they are found. Want in, do it legally like numerous millions before them did for the last several hundred years. If I have to pay taxes, they should at least go to lazy ******* people who should be here. If you aren't a citizen, I think you should be denied any kind of support and constitutional rights.
I hate seeing this topic because I don't see what there is to be argued. They are illegal, so they should not be given any assistance and should be sent back as soon as they are found. Want in, do it legally like numerous millions before them did for the last several hundred years. If I have to pay taxes, they should at least go to lazy ******* people who should be here. If you aren't a citizen, I think you should be denied any kind of support and constitutional rights.
I fully support a tax increase to fund the mass deportation of all illegal aliens.
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04-30-2010, 01:55 PM
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I've always said...illegal is illegal is illegal. What is so hard to understand about that word? If I am dealing drugs and get caught and thrown in jail it's bacuse I was doing something illegal. If I drive drunk and go to jail it's because I was doign something illegal. If I decide to just move up to Canada and don't do any paper work and get caught and sent back here...it's bacuse I was there illegally. I have these fucksticks who are getting all in a wad about "profiling" and get even more pissed off at the shitsticks who go as far as pulling the race card. News flash- the country you are from is not a race.
It's not only jobs, it's medical care, it's car insurance and income loss for everyone. I do laugh at how many people are arrested in the Atlanta area for practicing dentistry illegally/without licesnse. Why? Because it's one of the few services those illegal worms can't get and often need. WIN. But hey, if you are here legally, have a job or even insurance, it's no problem. I have little to no sympathy for illegals..no matter where they are from. Why do they get to break the law and get away with it? If you're here legally, then you have nothing to worry about and should be glad that LEOs are looking out for people who shouldn't be here. It's like saying that no one should ever get a ticket for loitering. I mean, if you and your friends and hanging out where you're not supposed to be and a cop decides to investigate and give you a citation for loitering..well, he has the right to because it's the law. Besides, how many small offences turn into bigger ones? How many times does that guy who didn't use his blinker end up having drugs or is drunk?
I say kick 'em out.
It's not only jobs, it's medical care, it's car insurance and income loss for everyone. I do laugh at how many people are arrested in the Atlanta area for practicing dentistry illegally/without licesnse. Why? Because it's one of the few services those illegal worms can't get and often need. WIN. But hey, if you are here legally, have a job or even insurance, it's no problem. I have little to no sympathy for illegals..no matter where they are from. Why do they get to break the law and get away with it? If you're here legally, then you have nothing to worry about and should be glad that LEOs are looking out for people who shouldn't be here. It's like saying that no one should ever get a ticket for loitering. I mean, if you and your friends and hanging out where you're not supposed to be and a cop decides to investigate and give you a citation for loitering..well, he has the right to because it's the law. Besides, how many small offences turn into bigger ones? How many times does that guy who didn't use his blinker end up having drugs or is drunk?
I say kick 'em out.
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05-02-2010, 09:50 AM
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How about, AZ is overrun by people who are in this country illegally and dealing with a unsustainable welfare state and drain on public resources.
Some of them just want to work and better themselves, they are ruining it for the people who do want to do it right and apply for a work visa. Those people will get denied until the issue can be solved. They also are hired illegally and take up jobs that many legal immigrants and citizens of the US would gladly take at minimum wage. Most don't pay taxes but they'll take full advantage of entitlements.
A way to show respect back to those who have respected our laws and traveled here legally, is to be sure and not give a free pass to people who sneak in illegally. If jobs go to Americans and immigrants on work visas instead of cheap undocumented workers, then what's the problem?
A good amount of them are here for drug and human trafficking, with that brings crime, rape, and murder. How would you like it if your state was the gateway for drug smuggling into the US and these people were taking up residence in your neighborhood? They don't pay taxes, obey the law, or give a **** about you. The people in these neighborhoods actually fear for their lives, much like you would if you ran out of hair gel.
The problem isn't about immigration, it's about the systematic failure of federal government to enforce the law or even offer a rational policy.
When polled, 60% of people are FOR immigration. And when polled, 51% of people are FOR the AZ law and only 39% say they oppose it.
As Americans we value immigration, however, we oppose lawlessness. The AZ law was signed as a slap in the face to Washington's failure to do it's job. One of the few written in stone jobs it's actually supposed to be doing...
So now Washington has taken a break from watching **** all day to...get this, go after wall street, not protect our borders.
Let's say the Government gave amnesty to all theses illegals...In Germany, they were told that they needed immigrants to help their economy. Now Turks in Germany have three times the welfare dependency rates as do Germans citizens. This influx of mass immigration was not a gold-mine like suggested, but a structural weakness.
Someone coming here to work and better themselves and their families is awesome. It's the American Dream. But today we also find ourselves in an unsustainable and rapidly growing welfare state.
Milton Friend said it best when he said: "it is one thing to have free immigration to jobs. It is another thing to have free immigration to welfare. And you cannot have both."
Dependency programs incentivize not only those who want to work, but those who don't want to work. We need to allow immigrants to take a shot at the American Dream and become part of our economy.
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05-02-2010, 01:25 PM
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's post is pretty much dead on...A comment I found while doing some reading on this summed up most of how I feel about it...
"OK, I get it. There are many hardworking undocumented Latino immigrants. Even identifying them, much less deporting them, would be difficult. Identifying them could result in abhorrent “racial profiling.” Deporting them would cruelly break up families, some of whom have been here for decades. Conditions in Mexico and other Latin American countries are abysmal and these are simply desperate people seeking a better life. Many businesses in the US depend on these workers, and we benefit from their cheap labor. I get all of it. My question is this: Are not there untold billions from all over the world, who fit the same description? Why not let them all in? Say, in essence, all you have to do is get here by hook or crook, and you will be welcome to all the benefits of the “land of plenty”? Repeal all immigration laws and throw open the borders to all comers!"
If that seems absurd, what then is your solution to controlling the borders and enforcing the laws? We either have a border or we don’t. We either have immigration laws or we don’t. Deciding that we won’t enforce them (or will only selectively or occasionally enforce them), or that we will retroactively repeal them every few decades (for what is amnesty if not that?) is inconsistent with a country that is supposedly built on the rule of law – and is unsustainable in any case.
Again, those of you who are against the Arizona action, what do you propose in its stead?
If that seems absurd, what then is your solution to controlling the borders and enforcing the laws? We either have a border or we don’t. We either have immigration laws or we don’t. Deciding that we won’t enforce them (or will only selectively or occasionally enforce them), or that we will retroactively repeal them every few decades (for what is amnesty if not that?) is inconsistent with a country that is supposedly built on the rule of law – and is unsustainable in any case.
Again, those of you who are against the Arizona action, what do you propose in its stead?
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05-02-2010, 11:12 PM
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You must be an idiot if you think 99% of people came here illegally (not including the raping of native Americans, who really cares about them...) Once it was in the rightful owners hands, the white man, most came here in some way that was legal, or at least the acceptable way at that time.
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05-02-2010, 11:28 PM
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This. We have laws, they are just not being enforced. But hey, if you are a legislator and you want a good sound bite, pass something thats tough on crime! Hooray!
I can completely understand AZ anger. I lived in PHX untill a couple years ago, and I still have freinds there. You would think Napolitano would have done more by now with her new position, but thats not how DC works apperantly.
But let me add a bit of perspective. My best freind lives there still, he is half hispanic and a graduate of ASU law. He hates this law. Quite frankly so do a huge portion of the COPS who will actually have to deal with it, whos opinion I value tremendously.
The law adds another layer of legislation to a completely fucked up issue and places a burden on local cops who are already over-loaded. They loose at least one guy a year in Mesa to some dipshit gang-banger or illegal or drunk or whatever. Trust me, more legislation does jack **** for them.
Now lets do a hypothetical. Lets say my buddy is riding in a car with someone else. They get pulled over. He does not have his ID with him, because he was not driving. Guess who goes to jail anyway? My buddy. How wonderful. That will really help the already over-loaded system, and my buddy.
http://www.kgun9.com/global/story.asp?s=12386648
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05-03-2010, 12:00 AM
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But let me add a bit of perspective. My best freind lives there still, he is half hispanic and a graduate of ASU law. He hates this law. Quite frankly so do a huge portion of the COPS who will actually have to deal with it, whos opinion I value tremendously.
The law adds another layer of legislation to a completely fucked up issue and places a burden on local cops who are already over-loaded. They loose at least one guy a year in Mesa to some dipshit gang-banger or illegal or drunk or whatever. Trust me, more legislation does jack **** for them.
Now lets do a hypothetical. Lets say my buddy is riding in a car with someone else. They get pulled over. He does not have his ID with him, because he was not driving. Guess who goes to jail anyway? My buddy. How wonderful. That will really help the already over-loaded system, and my buddy.
http://www.kgun9.com/global/story.asp?s=12386648
The law adds another layer of legislation to a completely fucked up issue and places a burden on local cops who are already over-loaded. They loose at least one guy a year in Mesa to some dipshit gang-banger or illegal or drunk or whatever. Trust me, more legislation does jack **** for them.
Now lets do a hypothetical. Lets say my buddy is riding in a car with someone else. They get pulled over. He does not have his ID with him, because he was not driving. Guess who goes to jail anyway? My buddy. How wonderful. That will really help the already over-loaded system, and my buddy.
http://www.kgun9.com/global/story.asp?s=12386648
as for your buddy, I don't know any guy who doesn't normally carry a wallet with them as a normal thing and given that he knows in advance about the law there's really no excuse for him not to have it on him.
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05-03-2010, 09:50 AM
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Cops can come up with PC damn near any time they want already. And illegals are handed over to the border patrol as-is (or as-was I guess) so no bail or any of that bullshit.
Brain: Exactly.
And at what point did it become the governments right to force us all to carry ID? Thats OK now? WTF? **** the godamned government. If I am driving, I must have a license. OK. But if I am walking down to the store to buy some TP the government has zero right to require ID from me.
When did this idea that we have duties to our government get such momentum? You really should do X Y and Z. Bullshit. We hire them, we pay them. There are certain rules for safety and order (like DLs) but those are only acceptable because we say so. The idea that the gov gets to say 'you ought to have this on you at all times or we can throw you in jail' is complete tyranical bullshit.
Brain: Exactly.
And at what point did it become the governments right to force us all to carry ID? Thats OK now? WTF? **** the godamned government. If I am driving, I must have a license. OK. But if I am walking down to the store to buy some TP the government has zero right to require ID from me.
When did this idea that we have duties to our government get such momentum? You really should do X Y and Z. Bullshit. We hire them, we pay them. There are certain rules for safety and order (like DLs) but those are only acceptable because we say so. The idea that the gov gets to say 'you ought to have this on you at all times or we can throw you in jail' is complete tyranical bullshit.
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05-03-2010, 09:55 AM
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If Police have reasonable suspicion to pull you over they can, and if police have reasonable suspicion to search your car they can... how many times have you been pulled over and/or had your car searched?
Your buddy wont go to jail unless 15 Mexicans jump out of his truck when he's getting pulled over and then he can't verify his citizenship...but that wouldn't even matter cause they'd nail him for trafficking at that point.
Your buddy wont go to jail unless 15 Mexicans jump out of his truck when he's getting pulled over and then he can't verify his citizenship...but that wouldn't even matter cause they'd nail him for trafficking at that point.
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05-03-2010, 09:55 AM
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I'll say it's a little extreme, but when the area is so heavily "infested" with illegals, I really don't have much of a problem with checking the ID's of those who fit the profile. The whole go to jail if you don't have ID to prove who you are thing is a bit ridiculous, but I can't think of a better way to catch illegals on the street. "Rights" this and "rights" that. Rights are a bunch of bullshit. They are only rights as long as the government allows them to be, or as long as we allow them to take them.
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