Norway Shooting/Bombing 92 dead.
What is believed to be a car bomb went off in Oslo Norway yesterday, killing 7 people. Several hours later a man dressed as a police officer gunned down at least 80 on a island.
http://news.yahoo.com/norway-horror-...021706287.html |
Pretty mind-boggling that one person can carry out that much death and destruction. I have read conflicting reports on what he was armed with, but for him to have been able to wander the island and just mow down teenagers at a summer camp like that... Truly horrific and cowardly.
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Willing to bet that no CCW allowed in Norway or someone could have stopped him earlier.
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Originally Posted by olderguy
(Post 752223)
Willing to bet that no CCW allowed in Norway or someone could have stopped him earlier.
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Originally Posted by KPLAFIN
(Post 752224)
Even in the states, not many people with a CCW hanging out on islands with nothing but summer camps on them.
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Originally Posted by olderguy
(Post 752231)
I think that once someone has a CCW, they don't go anywhere without a weapon. I would always fear that something would happen when I could have been prepared and wasn't.
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Originally Posted by olderguy
(Post 752223)
Willing to bet that no CCW allowed in Norway or someone could have stopped him earlier.
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We lost our innocense in the worst imaginable way yesterday. This is the worst act of violence on Norwegian soil since World War 2. Hard to fathom that the threat was from an enemy within and not a foreign group of religious fanatics.
We are a small country and with the number of people killed or injured a large portion of the country might have a friend, co-worker or loved one amongst those directly affected. As a nation we are all affected and in shock. (CCW neither is or will ever be allowed in Norway. Our police officers don`t even carry guns on normal patrol and no-one else should need to either. But this will never be a fruitful discussion, our general type of crime is very different from the US and very rarely involves guns.) (Edit; We have the same basic gun laws that you have, except for the lack of a constitutional right to carry or own guns. You can have as many handguns as you like as long as you use them for competitive or recreational purposes. You just can`t own a gun because it pleases you. A need for one has to be laid forth to the authorities. Need would be hunting or competitive or even recreational shooting. Full auto is forbidden.) |
Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack
(Post 752210)
Pretty mind-boggling that one person can carry out that much death and destruction.
The exception are the psychopaths that rise to positions of political power and then start wars. P.S. the first news item I saw about this used the word "terrorist", which made me :rolleyes:. Always more "terror" to justify the apparatchik. |
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 752252)
It's also amazing how rarely it happens, that a person goes bonkers like this, given how easy the logistics are.
There is no background check required to purchase pre-threaded lengths of iron pipe, model rocket engine igniters and gunpowder. (For those of you not located in North America, gunpowder can be purchased off-the-shelf in large quantities (typically 1lb / .45 kg) from retail stores such as Wal-Mart, as well as in larger containers from stores which specialize in sport and hunting equipment. There are no restrictions at all on the sale of gunpowder, other than that you must be 18 years old to purchase it. If anything, it's easier now then it was when I was a kid and we'd blow up old tree stumps in the woods. Nowadays, little electronic gadgets like the arduino make building timers / electronic detonators much easier. It's a testament to the basic sanity of mankind that the term IED was not in the popular lexicon until the past decade, and that only from afar. P.S. the first news item I saw about this used the word "terrorist", which made me :rolleyes:. Always more "terror" to justify the apparatchik. |
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 752255)
Funny that the same thought occurs to me every now and then. The fact of the matter is that even today, gathering the parts to build something like large pipe bomb and then detonating it in a crowded, enclosed space (eg: library, shopping mall, movie theater, etc) is trivially easy.
On the thought of people not going berserk... did you ever look over the edge of a railing and the thought of just jumping off crosses your mind? One time watching a jazz concert, during a quiet passage, the thought crossed my mind, of suddenly jumping up, running, and screaming invectives. And then I'm amazed nobody goes bonkers and does it. LOL.
Originally Posted by Joe
This is all the Bush administration's fault for starting a crusade
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"Up to 21 years in prison" ... the fuck is wrong with Norway?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/07...s-lawyer-says/ Please tell me this is a mistake and hes looking at 21 years for each murder. |
21 years is not justice.
Toss that mother fucker off a helicopter in the middle of the desert. After you cut his finger tips off with a hammer and chisel. |
Originally Posted by KPLAFIN
(Post 752448)
"Up to 21 years in prison" ... the fuck is wrong with Norway?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/07...s-lawyer-says/ Please tell me this is a mistake and hes looking at 21 years for each murder. |
No sentence will ever be justice for what is done.
I`m not going to defend the max 21 years we have, but for the type of crime we have it is usually adequate. NOW, we do have the possibility to sentence him to a practically indefinate periode of prison custody in addition to the 21 year sentence. This means he can be kept in prison for the rest of his life with no chance of release. This person will never see the outside of a prison cell again. Citizens of Norway, like me, will never accept his release back into our society. My personal belief is that he will either commit suicide or be killed once sentenced and put in prison. Read in the news today that he has stated during interrogation that he was fully aware of the atrocity in his actions, but that they were necessary to change the political environment in Norway. Has taken responsibility for both the bombing and the shooting, but still has pleaded not guilty. |
And why does he think killing innocents will help change the gov't?
BTW Anyone who thinks the gov't is too authoritarian and thinks that acts of violence will help make the gov't less authoritarian is sorely mistaken. |
Apparently this is part of a grand scheme leading to an uprising and a civil war against muslims in Europe. Haven`t yet read all of his ramblings that`s been released through the media, but he has released a 1500 page manifesto which dictates a timeline of events all the way till 2083...
There is to be a court hearing tomorrow. Anders Behring Breivik (the terrorist) has stated he wants it to be an open hearing and that he is "looking forward" to explaining himself in front of the public. Currently police seem to demand the hearing be held behind "closed doors" but I guess we`ll see tomorrow what happens. |
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 752252)
It's also amazing how rarely it happens, that a person goes bonkers like this, given how easy the logistics are. I mean, I would be proud of designing a power supply (my day job) with a 10 PPM failure rate - a 10 PPM failure rate of people going bonkers in this country would be 3000 mass murderers!
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Ironically, I would argue his actions are more likely to lead to the opposite reaction he was hoping for. Instead of politicians and citizens taking a harder, serious look at the lack of integration of various immigrant groups (Shariah-supporting Islamics in particular), these attacks will likely only serve to clamp down on the dialogue as critics get branded "right wing extremists" or "Islamaphobes" even more so than before.
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Just like America is "more" racist with Obama as pres?
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