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Braineack 12-16-2021 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by cordycord (Post 1614178)
The government circumvent the rules better than any rich boogieman. They play a mean Ponzi scheme, devalue the dollar at will, decide which corporations and even business sectors live and die. And at the end of the day it's all based on who can grease their palms the best. I don't begrudge anyone who tries to protect as much of their assets from the government as is legally possible.

I can't vote this high enough ( i mean technically I could cheat and go into the admin panel and do it, but the point was made here ).

Better yet, they decry a mandate that has no chance to pass constitutional muster. Businesses--under threat of large legal penalties--start complying early. Federal Courts strike down these orders from the Monarchy after some time passes, but the Monarchy got their way anyway as everyone already geared up to be compliant.

Joe Perez 12-20-2021 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1614191)
I can't vote this high enough ( i mean technically I could cheat and go into the admin panel and do it, but the point was made here ).

Better yet, they decry a mandate that has no chance to pass constitutional muster. Businesses--under threat of large legal penalties--start complying early. Federal Courts strike down these orders from the Monarchy after some time passes, but the Monarchy got their way anyway as everyone already geared up to be compliant.

Your apathy towards the plight of the ordinary US citizen, who finds themselves increasingly enslaved by those who are ostensibly elected to represent them, has angered the Baharnoth.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...0c98fc384d.png


Not everything is about corporations and those who dabble in the speculative exchange / commodities markets. Some of us ordinary folk are still down here.

cordycord 12-20-2021 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1614381)
Your apathy towards the plight of the ordinary US citizen, who finds themselves increasingly enslaved by those who are ostensibly elected to represent them, has angered the Baharnoth.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...0c98fc384d.png


Not everything is about corporations and those who dabble in the speculative exchange / commodities markets. Some of us ordinary folk are still down here.

Who directed the FBI to "lose" all those CD's collected from Epstein's safe....was it someone from the White House or one of the world's power brokers like Gates or Clinton. Or Baharnoth.

Joe Perez 12-20-2021 10:28 PM


Originally Posted by cordycord (Post 1614387)
I who directed the FBI to "lose" all those CD's collected from Epstein's safe....was it someone from the White House or one of the world's power brokers like Gates or Clinton. Or Baharnoth.

In all seriousness, I'm going to need a translation here.

Was that a question? Or a statement? Or... (?)

It's ok if you need time to sober up. God knows we've all been there.

cordycord 12-21-2021 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1614390)
In all seriousness, I'm going to need a translation here.

Was that a question? Or a statement? Or... (?)

It's ok if you need time to sober up. God knows we've all been there.

We were comparing the government to corrupt business practices, and finding out that corporations are complete rookies compared to the government. And yet the corruption is intertwined. A good current events example is how the FBI somehow happened to "lose" all damning evidence on CD's from Epstein's safe. I'm sure quite a few of the world's powerful (and world's smarmy) are quite happy to see it confirmed that there indeed are two systems of justice, for the powerful--with the right political views--and for the rest of us.

Perhaps you got confused/excited with the introduction of a Furry. Hey, I don't judge.


cordycord 12-25-2021 06:50 PM

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b044b95b5.jpeg
Perfectly illustrates every current circular political argument.

bahurd 12-26-2021 09:18 AM

Context is always appropropriate: Did Biden raise cost of insulin in his first week?



The Biden Administration’s regulatory freeze does not impact a new insulin discount that took effect Jan. 1. That discount, announced last year by President Trump and the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, allows seniors who sign up for an enhanced Medicare plan to receive a 30-day supply of insulin for $35. The discount requires seniors to join a Medicare drug plan (Part D) or Medicare Advantage Plan (with drug coverage) that participates in the insulin savings model, so only those individuals who are willing to pay for the enhanced coverage are eligible to receive the $35 price cap.

So we can verify the Biden administration did freeze a new rule that would mandate community health centers pass along insulin discounts to their patients.

But we can also verify that multiple claims that President Biden is increasing the price of insulin are false. The 60-day regulatory freeze is not causing the price of insulin to increase at community health centers, and there is no evidence to suggest the rule would further lower insulin costs at those facilities, which already offer deep discounts on medication.

Joe Perez 12-29-2021 10:43 PM


Originally Posted by bahurd (Post 1614602)
Context is always appropropriate: Did Biden raise cost of insulin in his first week?

Careful, now. There are those among us who sternly disapprove of context.


On a wholly unrelated note:


Apparently I have been named as a plaintiff in a mass-tort suit.

I was not consulted prior to the filing of this suit, and have only now been given an opportunity to opt out of it, by filing a form and mailing it at my own expense to the office of the counsel for the plaintiffs.

If I do not do this, then my name will be used as an aggrieved party in the aforementioned lawsuit, despite the fact that I have no desire to pursue such a course of action, and would not have initiated it on my own behalf.

I find this concept fascinating.

rleete 12-30-2021 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1614776)
I find this concept fascinating.

You spelled infuriating wrong.

Joe Perez 01-04-2022 06:59 PM

So... Ted Cruz...

I don't hate the guy. I don't respect him, but I don't hate him. That's pretty close to "neutral."

He's really gone and shown the true colors of modern US politics today. I'm not going to cite a specific source, because that's the sort of thing that makes people say "that's a fake source," so just fire up the search engine of your choice if you doubt what I'm saying here.

Mr. Cruz has essentially stated that, if Republicans regain control of the house in the next election, that they will more than likely impeach Biden, regardless of whether there's a good reason to do so or not, purely out of spite for the Democrat-led house impeaching Trump twice.

Literally.

“The Democrats weaponized impeachment. They used it for partisan purposes to go after Trump because they disagreed with him. The more you weaponize it and turn it into a partisan cudgel — you know, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.”

There's a lot of truth in the above. Federal politics has become a competitive sport, in which We the People no longer really matter. What counts is harming the "other" party and their figureheads as much as possible.

"Because the Democrats decided this is just another tool in the partisan war chest, I think there’s a real risk that that turnabout will be fair play … whether it’s justified or not.”

There we go with the true colors. Whether it's justified or not, we're going to impeach "their" president because they impeached "ours."

“I said at the time, when we have a Democratic president and a Republican House, you can expect an impeachment proceeding. That’s not how impeachment is meant to work. But I think the Democrats crossed that line. There’ll be enormous pressure on a Republican House to begin impeachment proceedings.”

Am I the only one who feels that maybe this isn't the healthiest possible attitude towards administering a national government?

I mean, don't get me wrong. I think that every president should be impeached as frequently as possible. It keeps Congress busy and distracts them from their usual mission of encroaching on the liberty of American citizens. But I say that with a rather defeatist attitude. I'd rather that Congress NOT dedicate the majority of their attention to making all of our lives worse unless otherwise occupied. But I'm a realist, and I can't see that happening...




good2go 01-04-2022 07:46 PM

^^ Just a thought . . . assuming they gain majority, how (weak) would a republican house look if they didn't flex their muscle against the dems? They may not even want or need to seek a meaningless impeachment, but if they didn't, what would that say about them to their constituents? Couldn't you could make an argument that they have no choice? If they don't, then it will undoubtedly be played as tacit agreement that Trump was indeed as bad as they claimed, and that it was not just the new level of partisan theatrics.

DNMakinson 01-04-2022 07:55 PM

An eye for an eye eventually leaves everyone blind. Musing the idea is one thing, to let off steam. Actually doing something damaging to the republic for spite is not good at all.

And... then there is the practical aspect of, if the impeachment results in conviction and removal from office.... we all get Kamala.

EDIT: All I could find were partial quotes. I’d have to hear the actual, unedited broadcast to determine if I thought Cruz was actually pushing for or supporting the idea.

Bajingo 01-04-2022 08:25 PM

The democrats were talking about impeachment before trump was even elected, it's about time the republicans play the same game they do. The democrats were also talking about impeachment of bush before 9/11. I believe they wanted to get the first bush as well.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/de...op-presidents/

Even lying ass snopes points it out, 5/6 the democrats ha e went for.

Joe Perez 01-04-2022 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by good2go (Post 1615034)
^^ Just a thought . . . assuming they gain majority, how (weak) would a republican house look if they didn't flex their muscle against the dems? They may not even want or need to seek a meaningless impeachment, but if they didn't, what would that say about them to their constituents?

And that, right there, is a huge part of the problem.

To be clear: we're all fucked. Congress has devolved into something resembling pro-wrestling*, where everything is a simple black-or-white matter, and there are only two sides to every matter, and if you're not 100% for us, then you're obviously 100% against us, and if it looks like things are finally getting better, well... just wait until next week when a whole new controversy erupts!

And it's our fault.

We the People require sort of bizarre theatrics of our elected representatives, for precisely the reasons you illustrate.

Oh, God! What would happen if a newly-elected Republican majority in the House of Representatives DIDN'T immediately impeach the President purely out of spite? What would the people who voted for them think? What would political-opinion-show hosts say?

Joe Perez 01-04-2022 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by Bajingo (Post 1615039)
The democrats were talking about impeachment before trump was even elected, it's about time the republicans play the same game they do.

This is a really dumb rely.

I was trying to think of a more eloquent way to describe what you wrote, but in the end, "really dumb" just fits the best.

"The democrats are a bunch of irresponsible assholes, so god-dammit, I expect that my own Republican elected representatives will also behave like irresponsible assholes when given the chance!"

Can you take a moment, look at what you've said from a detached perspective, and maybe see how this sort of expectation is actually the very reason we find ourselves living in this parody of a state?

Bajingo 01-04-2022 09:26 PM

It may be dumb but it is what it is. Broken shit doesn't get fixed unless there's a problem. Currently the system works for the democrats.

Joe Perez 01-04-2022 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by DNMakinson (Post 1615036)
EDIT: All I could find were partial quotes. I’d have to hear the actual, unedited broadcast to determine if I thought Cruz was actually pushing for or supporting the idea.

It was from Ted Cruz's own rather well-produced podcast. Specifically, episode 101 entitled Build Back Broke Bombshell. The impeachment monologue begins at around 43:00.



I mean, he's not wrong. The current Congress has in fact abused the Impeachment process against Trump.

But in what universe is the mature, rational response to that to then turn right around and act just as irresponsibly and irrationally?



Aside: am I the only one who finds the format of those podcasts weird? Ted Cruz is being interviewed by employees of Ted Cruz, answering questions written by Ted Cruz.

Try to view the video with that fact in mind. Ted Cruz is scripting this conversation in order to plant the seed of that idea.

Joe Perez 01-04-2022 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by Bajingo (Post 1615044)
It may be dumb but it is what it is. Broken shit doesn't get fixed unless there's a problem. Currently the system works for the democrats.

I'm afraid you're incorrect.

Currently, the system works only for politicians.

Bajingo 01-04-2022 09:36 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1615046)
I'm afraid you're incorrect.

Currently, the system works only for politicians.

Are you implying that republicans aren't politicians?

Joe Perez 01-04-2022 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by Bajingo (Post 1615047)
Are you implying that republicans aren't politicians?

Oh, sweetie... You're so confused.

Both republicans and democrats are politicians.

You said "Currently the system works for the democrats."

But you were missing the bigger picture. Currently, the system works for the republicans and the democrats. They're the same thing; politicians.


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