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Old 07-18-2018, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Schroedinger
Jesus Christ on a bicycle. Tinfoil hat club here, eh? You guys need to get outside for some fresh air. Amazing car knowledge aside, I have a hard time respecting people who hold the position that one political party does all the right things and has all the right answers, while the other is full of dummies and bad behavior.
you forgot are also just generally bad people...

we've seen leftist policies ruin the world for thousands of years now, when anyone suggests a right-leaning approach to any problem, they are demonized and wear tin-hats because: think of the :insert touching story:


I just want to know if Trump is laundering Russian money through his businesses. Because that would explain a lot.
What would suggest Trump was laundering in the first place? and what exactly would it explain? would this be fodder for tinhats?

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What motivation would the owner of a successful multi-billion dollar real-estate and development company, who was already a public figure under constant scrutiny even prior to his entry into politics, have to become involved in organized crime with a foreign government?

The President may be a buffoon, but he's also demonstrated that he is a shrewd businessman. There's no logic in asserting that he would take that kind of risk for minimal reward.






Edit: Also, this is kind of amusing. Apparently there was (until recently) a website called TrumpRubles.com, which sold fake 5,000 Ruble notes, bearing the likeness of Trump's head atop the body of Nikolay Muravyov-Amursky.




The site is down, but it's captured on The Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20180105...umprubles.com/


I wonder how many tourists got busted trying to spend these abroad or exchange them at the Travelex kiosk...

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What motivation would the owner of a successful multi-billion dollar real-estate and development company, who was already a public figure under constant scrutiny even prior to his entry into politics, have to become involved in organized crime with a foreign government?
That is just standard operating procedure for real estate development. Especially in NYC. Money laundering, bribes, and organized crime connections are common in the industry. I don't really follow Trump's dealings that close but I would be surprised if he didn't have close Mafia connections and a few money laundering transactions under his belt. He's definitely bribed City officials and inspectors in NYC being in the game as long as he has been. It's not like this would be new territory.
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Bribing NYC officials is just standard business practice. Ditto dealing with US labor unions in creative ways.

Doing business with the Russian mafia is, well... a tad different. Especially when you have no business interests in Russia, and thus, no favors to ask.

Is it possible? Of course. But you gotta ask whether it makes sense.
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
Bribing NYC officials is just standard business practice. Ditto dealing with US labor unions in creative ways.

Doing business with the Russian mafia is, well... a tad different. Especially when you have no business interests in Russia, and thus, no favors to ask.

Is it possible? Of course. But you gotta ask whether it makes sense.
I don't really think it does make sense from a risk reward perspective. He's got wealth and holds the office of POTUS. He's also pretty old so really he has peaked and should be most concerned with preserving his legacy at this point. However, criminal minds always surprise me. The risk vs reward for most crime doesn't make any sense but people risk long sentences or even death for dumb **** like the money in a gas station register all the time.
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His dealings would have started LONG before being POTUS. Risk vs reward a bit off? The mega rich take mega chances to become even more rich. Not much different than wanting moar boost. That's what always had me. People would say " we need a rich president who can't be bought " Bullllllllll ****.

you ever meet a rich person who decided they had too much money? Hell no. Greedy people always need more. That's why they lie, bribe, cheat, **** people out of money and curb stomp their way to the top.
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Came back to post, and everything I was going to say has already been said.

The truth is, we don’t really know anything about his financial success, or how he attained it. He was born on third base and thought he hit a triple. We don’t know what business dealings made him a “successful businessman”. If the definition of success is how much money he has, then we really don’t know the answer to that either. After five bankruptcies he’s still been able to line up a metric fuckton of outside loans and financing, which is peculiar and at least suggests that he owes some favors. He had a private enterprise with no oversight, and has taken extraordinary lengths to make sure that the details of his business dealings are kept under wraps. The few facts that exist around his business dealings don’t suggest to me someone who is a clean, above-board dealer.

The guy I posted about above is already a confirmed billionaire, late 70’s. Largely due to his ability to carry out fraud and abuse through companies that he sold and got out of before the legal problems came in. This time he got too greedy, and there’s a high likelihood that he’ll spend the rest of his life in federal prison. Why did he do it? Because he could. You may underestimate the ego of a “self made man” like that, but I don’t. I’ve seen it before.

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Hey Schroedinger: just wait till he releases his tax records.




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also, something about having a **** ton of money makes you awesome at trolling:

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Originally Posted by Schroedinger
Came back to post, and everything I was going to say has already been said.

The truth is, we don’t really know anything about his financial success, or how he attained it. He was born on third base and thought he hit a triple. We don’t know what business dealings made him a “successful businessman”. If the definition of success is how much money he has, then we really don’t know the answer to that either. After five bankruptcies he’s still been able to line up a metric fuckton of outside loans and financing, which is peculiar and at least suggests that he owes some favors. He had a private enterprise with no oversight, and has taken extraordinary lengths to make sure that the details of his business dealings are kept under wraps. The few facts that exist around his business dealings don’t suggest to me someone who is a clean, above-board dealer.

The guy I posted about above is already a confirmed billionaire, late 70’s. Largely due to his ability to carry out fraud and abuse through companies that he sold and got out of before the legal problems came in. This time he got too greedy, and there’s a high likelihood that he’ll spend the rest of his life in federal prison. Why did he do it? Because he could. You may underestimate the ego of a “self made man” like that, but I don’t. I’ve seen it before.
As much as I don't like the big orange Cheetoh in office, although I do like what my 401k has been doing the last 12 months, the "OMG how smart can he know what he is doing with all these bankruptcies" is just stupid. It's a completely legal strategy to eliminate or restructure debt for his different corporations, never a personal bankruptcy.

That's just using the rules to your own max benefit, not being dumb.
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meanwhile:


SAN FRANCISCO BEGINS REGISTERING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO VOTE
By Kevin Ryan

San Francisco is taking “sanctuary city” to the next level. The city has begun allowing non-citizens, including illegal immigrants, to register to vote. The move results from a 2016 ballot measure, approved by 54% of San Francisco voters. Two previous tries failed.

So far, non-citizens will only be allowed to vote in elections for school district boards. But supporters of the movement hope to expand the right to vote to all elections.

“We want to give immigrants the right to vote,” Norman Yee, a county supervisor, said in an interview.

Others disagreed.

“The right to vote is something that goes along with citizenship,” said Harmeet Dhillon, who voted against the measure.

Chicago and some Maryland cities also allow illegal residents to vote in school board elections. Several cities in Massachusetts have voted to allow illegal immigrants to vote in all local elections, but those measures would require legislation from state lawmakers to take effect.

SOURCE: https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/ca...215095600.html

maybe Trump should reopen that voter fraud panel he dissolved, you know, to appease democrats...





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THE RUSSIANS ARE EVERYWHERE!!!!





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Originally Posted by Ryan_G
The risk vs reward for most crime doesn't make any sense but people risk long sentences or even death for dumb **** like the money in a gas station register all the time.
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The mega rich take mega chances to become even more rich.

Agreed on both counts.

But consider that criminals tend to stick with what they know. Serial killers don't switch to robbing banks. Drug dealers don't dabble in industrial espionage. And real estate moguls don't suddenly start dealing with organized crime syndicates in countries in which they have no real estate holdings.

And that's the key point. If someone had accused Trump of participating in money-laundering schemes in Dubai or Turkey or India or Uruguay or Brazil or Panama... then it would at least be plausible. The Trump Organization has business interests in all of those places, and so it is conceivable that establishing a relationship with the local mafia could pay off for it in terms of favors, muscle, etc.

But the Trump Organization has no interests in Russia. No hotels, no golf courses, no resorts, no office buildings, no land-holdings. And so it just doesn't make sense for them to get mobbed up there, because the mob would have nothing to offer them in return.

It's just not good business.
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yeah, but it makes a good narrative! : puts on tinfoil hat :


I wonder how someone could learn more about the mind/history of Trump...





or just take an unethical blue pill and eat your well-done steak:

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The site is down, but it's captured on The Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20180105...umprubles.com/.
The internet has an archive?? Like, THE INTERNET...allofit??

mindblown. i has no idea this existed.
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Edit: Also, this is kind of amusing. Apparently there was (until recently) a website called TrumpRubles.com, which sold fake 5,000 Ruble notes, bearing the likeness of Trump's head atop the body of Nikolay Muravyov-Amursky.
I wonder if people send Turmp fake Rubles, when they are sending Cuomo $1 donations so it appears like he has more small-donors to his campaign?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/17/n...-campaign.html

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But campaign disclosures on Tuesday revealed the extent to which Mr. Cuomo remains dependent on big donors — and some of the maneuvers undertaken to obscure that fact.

One donor contributed 69 times to Mr. Cuomo in the final days before the deadline — 67 of them $1 donations, driving down his average donation size. The donor, Christopher Kim, shares the same address on his filing as one of Mr. Cuomo’s campaign aides, Julia Yang.

“We appreciate his enthusiasm,” said Abbey Collins, a spokeswoman for Mr. Cuomo’s campaign. “Going forward, we’ll put measures in place to count contributions like this differently.”

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when socialists come to play with the producers:








but dont just trust me, trust leftistfact

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...l-counts-abou/
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The internet has an archive?? Like, THE INTERNET...allofit??

mindblown. i has no idea this existed.

Not sure if serious.

It's a little non-profit company in CA. They've been around for over 20 years, with the mission of archiving the internet for preservation. Their database is by no means comprehensive, but they try.



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(Putin may have ties to Russia)
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/cnn-chyron-parodies
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Serious, and thank you for explaining. I was aware of data centers that collect and translate everything that happens on social media, but not the internet in general.

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