rleete

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Brain, that vid is priceless. Just the thing to throw all my lefty friends into an apoplectic fit.

bahurd

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I suspect he'll melt down in debate 2 and maybe try to bypass #3 altogether. And frankly, the only time he's tried to appear "cool, calm and collected" he came across as fake. Which, I figure is why he feels the need to go 'game on'. Doesn't matter to me I enjoy watching him and his little band of surrogates living in the bubble.

Vashthestampede

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Why not talk about this instead?

40 Million Russians Set to Drill for World War III

Joe Perez

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I originally interpreted that as meaning that 40 million Russians were drilling, in the sense that one would drill for oil, in the hope of discovering an underground cache containing world war 3.

I found this amusing, and was disappointed to realize the truth; that the world's proven reserves of underground world war 3 remain, for all intents and purposes, zero.

cordycord

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Braineack

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Bill Clinton

hector

When did Slick ***** say that?

I didn't let my premiums double. I cancelled when it got to 50% higher in three years

z31maniac

I love all the idiots in this state. Since they rejected joining the exchange, they didn't create a regulatory body that can approve/deny rate increases.

So that means next year in OK the avg. rate increase for health insurance premiums is going to be 76% for those using ObummerCare.

hector

Real Question, when has a state denied a rate increase by the insurance companies?

triple88a

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Actually before "ObummerCare" health insurance was going up 20-30% every year. After, it stayed the same.

z31maniac

I don't know.

Typically it goes something like, Ask for 20%, state gives you the 8% you wanted anyway.

x_25

My father works for an insurance company (programing databases is all) but hebhas heard a good chunk of the problem is, that since the fine for not having insurance is cheaper than paying for insurance, a good chunk of people are buying insurance only if they get sick, then dropping it after. Since they can't deny people with pre existing conditions.

The company he works for is actually considering dropping private health insurance and only working with companies because of this.

For something like this to work, everyone needs to be all in, or all out. This weird in between spot we ended up with due to compromise causes lots of problems.

hector

Well we were paying less than $400 before ACA. Next year it went up to just over $400.

Then came ACA. It was over $500. The year after over $600. And that's when I dropped it.

So I don't know where you live but if it's Illimois I beileve you are getting hit with about a 40% price hike last I heard.

hector

The pre-existing condition thing is not a big hurdle for the insurance companies. Law says they have to take you but not at the same premium as a healthy person. So I call BS on that.

But in any case, if you FORCE someone to buy a product, do you expect that person NOT to use it. Where is it reasonable that 8% of your income should go to health care whether you use it or not? And if you decide to use it then as much as 20% of your income goes to health care before the insurance company starts paying?

That my friend is the problem with the current scenario we are in. Not someone gaming the system by getting it and then dumping it since you have to pay ridiculous amounts before the insurance company has to.

The problem is the bullshit regulatory system we have in place. It a joke. Its a scam. The system is rigged. All of it and until we ALL BOYCOTT the health care system it won't be fixed.

x_25

Hector. Insurance is something you have in case something big happens. What do you do if you suddenly get into an accident and find yourself with $30k or more in medical bills?

Like I said, we need to be either all in, or all out. This weird in between spot is going to cause nothing but inflated prices everywhere and issues.

My favorite scam in the medical industry is they can provide you services while you can't consent, and then charge you with debt you can't get out of. An example being, if you are uncounscious and someone calls you an ambulance, and that ambulance company doesn't accept your insurance? Tough ****, you are on the hook for it...

triple88a

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2008 30%, 2009 another 20, 2010 another 20, i got released from that job in 2011 but it was going to go up again another 15. I got released from that job end of 2011 for the next year and a half i worked a job without insurance at a low wage job. 2014 is when i got insurance with my new company. 2015, same rate, 2016 same rate, 2017 3% increase. yes 3%

hector

If I get 30K of bills I pay for it. Same thing I would have done with insurance. I don't see a $30k health risk being beneficial with insurance. Maybe along the lines of $100k. Won't matter in my situation anyhow. I am the sole provider in my household so If i'm not healthy, I can't pay my insurance premium. And you know what happens next. I get hit with a health care debt that I will pay off eventually just like everyone did before the ACA. What has changed?

The problem is the unchecked health industry or better said the gov't regulation *cough cough* of system. It's rigged. Prohibit health industry lobbying in Washington as most people think health care is a basic human right. Don't let these ******* suck the life out of us. Just because everyone needs health care at one point or another doesn't give them the right to charge you whatever they want to and for the state to sponsor it. WTF ever happened to the Hippocratic oath?

This pseudo social system we live in is fucked. It's always the one's that don't put into the system that get the most benefit. Make it a real social system that everyone has to pay into and if you don't pay into it then you get nothing back. I'm fine with a sliding scale of the more you make the more you pay but everyone has to pay something. Like the Scandinavian countries I've heard of. But this is entirely a different conversation.

triple88a

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+1. I went to a doctor a month ago.. 1st visit no exams, nothing done. 10 minute visit. I get the bill. 375 bucks of which the insurance paid 100.. 175 for a new patient fee and paperwork. Not joking.

hector

Illinois Obamacare rates could soar as state submits insurance premium increases to feds - Chicago Tribune

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/illin...-to-skyrocket/

By the looks of things Illinois insurance providers are just trying to keep pace with the rest of the country as premiums have gone up 20% nationwide. So you must be one of the 75% of insured Americans that are gov't subsidized and don't get the full premium hike. Or your employer pays for it.

Either way the premium hike has happened, you just aren't paying for it. 99%, FTW!

triple88a

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Not too long ago one of my republican friends shared this article about how obamacare will be going up and how it will fail soon... the entire article was based on a video... a video that was made in the end of 2012 saying how obamacare is suppose to fail. That said the article was complete garbage and the baboon that wrote it didnt bother checking when the video was made that he based his entire article on. Sorry if i am skeptical but i dont believe the "insurance will go up 5000000000000000000000000% unless we do this" articles.