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Old 03-04-2017, 03:50 PM
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Agreed- the Molotov cocktail burned going down *and* coming up.

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for months we've been getting information from leaked phone calls... but no evidence provided, no need to investigate a huge news story.
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WikiLeaks released the following list on February 23rd (see link here) of Obama Administration wire taps:

* The US National Security Agency bugged a private climate change strategy meeting; between UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon and German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin;

* Obama bugged Chief of Staff of UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) for long term interception targetting his Swiss phone;

* Obama singled out the Director of the Rules Division of the World Trade Organisation (WTO), Johann Human, and targetted his Swiss phone for long term interception;

* Obama stole sensitive Italian diplomatic cables detailing how Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu implored Italy’s Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi to help patch up his relationship with US President Barack Obama, who was refusing to talk to Netanyahu;

* Obama intercepted top EU and Japanese trade ministers discussing their secret strategy and red lines to stop the US “extort[ing]” them at the WTO Doha arounds (the talks subsequently collapsed);

* Obama explicitly targeted five other top EU economic officials for long term interception, including their French, Austrian and Belgium phone numbers;

* Obama explicitly targetted the phones of Italy’s ambassador to NATO and other top Italian officials for long term interception; and

* Obama intercepted details of a critical private meeting between then French president Nicolas Sarkozy, Merkel and Berluscon, where the latter was told the Italian banking system was ready to “pop like a cork”.

In addition to the above list we also know now that Obama wire tapped various individuals in the US media that were reporting information not flattering to the Obama Administration. It is widely known that Obama’s Justice Department targeted journalists with wiretaps in 2013:

* In 2013 the liberal Washington Post expressed outrage after the revelation that the Justice Department had investigated the newsgathering activities of a Fox News reporter as a potential crime in a probe of classified leaks. The reporter, Fox News’ James Rosen and his family, were part of an investigation into government officials anonymously leaking information to journalists. Rosen was not charged but his movements and actions were tracked.

* Also in 2013, members of the Associated Press were also a target of the surveillance. The ultra liberal New Yorker even noted that “In moderate and liberal circles, at least, the phone-records scandal, partly because it involves the dear old A.P. and partly because it raises anew the specter of Big Brother, may well present the most serious threat to Obama’s reputation.”

* Reporter Sharyl Attkisson said in 2014 that her personal computer and CBS laptop were hacked after she began filing stories about Benghazi that were unflattering to the Obama administration. A source who checked her laptop said the hacker used spyware “proprietary to a government agency,” according to an article in the New York Post.

Obama is no stranger to wire tapping. His administration tapped phones and computers of friends and foe alike.
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^ Serious question: what point you are trying to make? By now, we're all aware that Trump has made a vague allegation that some of his communications while a candidate may have been intercepted, no one has yet definitively confirmed or denied this allegation, and that no solid evidence exists to prove that it occurred, or if it did, to tie it to a specific person or group.




Unrelated: Being a "transgender-issues activist" does not qualify a person to guide scientific or military policy.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
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for months we've been getting information from leaked phone calls... but no evidence provided, no need to investigate a huge news story.

i wont pretend to know how/where each individual news orgs get their info. Either they plagarize each other or they are sent what to report using the same buzz words. Same with what brain posted.
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nevermind.
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Originally Posted by stratosteve
i wont pretend to know how/where each individual news orgs get their info. Either they plagarize each other or they are sent what to report using the same buzz words.
Mostly the latter. Reuters and the Associated Press are the two largest wire-services in the US, nearly every news-reporting agency subscribes to them, and they are the largest single source of copy / images / journalism for political, national, and international stories in the US.
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
Mostly the latter. Reuters and the Associated Press are the two largest wire-services in the US, nearly every news-reporting agency subscribes to them, and they are the largest single source of copy / images / journalism for political, national, and international stories in the US.

Makes sense.

Is trump trolling the press at this point or is there more to what he says (tweets)? He often times makes statements or tweets and waits for the target to take a position and then hits them with further details.
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Originally Posted by stratosteve
Is trump trolling the press at this point or is there more to what he says (tweets)? He often times makes statements or tweets and waits for the target to take a position and then hits them with further details.
Interesting timing...

On this evening's episode of Marketplace on my local NPR station, they debuted a new segment with the working title SQUIRREL!

The premise is that while a lot of media are reporting on the tweets, Marketplace is using them as a springboard for in-depth analysis on the way they're being reported, their effect on coverage of actual news, etc. A concise summary: tweeting outlandish things frequently is a good way to divert attention away from issues of actual significance.

You can listen here, it's the first story in the segment, in which they also discuss hamburgers in a roundabout sort of way: 03/06/2017: Don't get distracted by Trump's tweets
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So not content the election was won, and their guy most of them (establishment republicans) didn't want elected is in, the black helicopter crowd is still at it...

Trump and Republicans see a ‘deep state’ foe: Barack Obama
“Donald Trump is the victim. His campaign is the victim,” said Levin, as a Fox News “alert” scrolled over the screen. “These are police state tactics. If this had been done to Barack Obama, all hell would break loose. And it should.”
“The president has at his fingertips tens of billions of dollars in intelligence apparatus,” said Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), the chairman of the House Oversight Committee, in a Monday interview with CBS News. “I think he might have something there, but if not, we’re going to find out.”

“The good news is there’s a paper trail, there’s a warrant, there’s an application, there’s judicial review,” said Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) in a Monday interview with radio host Laura Ingraham, a die-hard Trump supporter. “And right now the Justice Department is not controlled by President Obama. It’s controlled by Jeff Sessions.”

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), in a tweet to the president, went even further, saying that Trump “needs to purge Leftists from executive branch before disloyal, illegal and treasonist (sic) acts sink us.”
Trump and Republicans see a ?deep state? foe: Barack Obama
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I'm impressed at how the 'Blame Obama' crowd is still going strong.
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche
I'm impressed at how the 'Blame Obama' crowd is still going strong.
To paraphrase a certain individual, "if you can't govern, blame".
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Pretty sure that was taken out of the "blame bush" handbook.
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