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I dont think anyone claimed Cohen and/or Manafort were innocent of their obvious crimes.
it's really easy to convict someone of a crime if you have unlimited access to everything about them when they get swept into your witch hunt. Again, all this does is reinforce the rules: don't talk to police (and/or don't get caught in law enforcement investigations)
Day 1:
Everyone left of Braineack: "Trump colluded with Russia in order to win the election"
Day 464:
Everyone left of Braineack: "People surrounded by Trumphff were tax evaders, therefore Trumphfff is bad and should be impeached"
The scope of the Mueller investigation was to investigate the Russian Government's involvement in the 2016 election. So far, 464 days and $16.7 million dollars later, the investigation is just doing the job of the IRS and FEC.
We have learned of many indiscretions, coincidences, and ethical-issues of the left via this investigation which go very much ignored, and when mentioned those people are labeled foil-hat wearers or ultra-right. The Russia story came out-of-left-field (double entendre), but that's acceptable and easy to believe -- because obviously some pompous businessman, took time out of his busy TV filming schedule and pants dropping schedule (well played Clueless reference), to devise a plan to win the presidential election by calling up one of our foes and was like "hey homey, help a brotha' out -- ill have more flexibility once I'm elected. Here's the plan, go hack the DNC's emails and disclose them a few days before the election. Dont alter them whatsoever, just show the public how ******* awful the democratic party is and how far they are willing to go to elect Hilary. Oh yeah, and also post a few dank memes on FB too."
It's a ridiculous premise that should be ridiculed and prodded, but instead we are told to accept it as gospel or else be labeled as a loon and be banned from FB.
Imagine how many tax evaders we could have found if we investigated Hillary's email server with such granularity. And in this case, there was actually clear cut-and-dry evidence of the actual crime they were investigating... But again, she didn't intend to break the law when going out of her way to intend to break the law, so no crime here, look away.
The scope of the Mueller investigation was to investigate the Russian Government's involvement in the 2016 election.
Thought 1: To repeat myself, this is false. Or, at best, one-fifth of the truth. Foreign influence is one of the five main elements of the Mueller investigation.
Thought 2: To repeat myself, Paul Manafort has in fact been indicted on a charge of acting as an agent of the Ukraine, to channel money from pro-Russian political parties into US lobbying and campaign funds. Testimony already exists which corroborates this, and Manafort himself has practically admitted it.
You keep saying "no evidence of Russia" and I'm like "Dude, here is a PDF copy of the criminal indictment against Trump's campaign manager, that he colluded with Russian political interests during the campaign."
What does Manafort's dealings with the Ukraine over a decade ago--ending in 2014--have to do with our election in 2016? If he had disclosed he was a foreign agent to the Trump campaign and they didn't hire him, what would that have changed?
again, they didnt charge him with treason, only defrauding the govt/obstruction.
There's still no link to trump in that document, or collusion, or russia.
The scope of the Mueller investigation was to investigate the Russian Government's involvement in the 2016 election. So far, 464 days and $16.7 million dollars later, the investigation is just doing the job of the IRS and FEC.
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Surely you've read the order, if not I'll highlight a couple key things for you.
Thought 1: To repeat myself, this is false. Or, at best, one-fifth of the truth. Foreign influence is one of the five main elements of the Mueller investigation.
By virtue of the authority vested in me as Acting Attorney General, including 28 U.S.C. §§ 509, 510, and 515, in order to discharge my responsibility to provide supervision and management of the Department of Justice, and to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian governments efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, I hereby order as follows:
(a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed t() serve as SpeciaL Counsel for the United States Department of Justice.
(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump;
and (ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation;
and (iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).
(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.
(d) Sections 600.4 through 600. l 0 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations are applicable to the Special Counsel.
Scope: a full and thorough investigation of the Russian governments efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election
Parts:
Robert S. Mueller III is appointed as Special Counsel.
Special Counsel is authorized to:
investigate coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump
any matters
(a)Original jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.
Special Counsel can prosecute any Federal crimes found during investigation.
Special Counsel has these powers: Sections 600.4 through 600. l 0 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations. -- i.e., more authority granting.
so there's really only three parts to the scope:
is specifically investigating coordination between the Russian government and trump campaign, in regards to the Russian governments efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election
is investigating obstruction or perjury, in regards to the Russian governments efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election
is me giving you a gimme, and really just the granting of the authority to do ****, in regards to the Russian governments efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/part-600
I'm sorry but Foreign influence is the scope of the investigation, and the only specific thing they are tasked with investigating, in regards to the scope of investigating: Russian governments efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. Everything else is authority to charge/investigation the random illegal **** they happen to find during the investigation -- which is all they've found/done so far.
Scope: a full and thorough investigation of the Russian governments efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election
Parts:
coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump
The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.
Sections 600.4 through 600. l 0 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations. -- i.e., more authority granting.
so there's really only three parts to the scope:
one is specifically investigating coordination between the Russian government and trump campaign, in regards to the Russian governments efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election
two is investigating obstruction or perjury, in regards to the Russian governments efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election
three is a gimme, and really just the granting of the authority to do ****, in regards to the Russian governments efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/part-600
im sorry but Foreign influence is the scope of the investigation, and the only specific thing they are tasked with investigating. Everything else is authority to charge/investigation the random illegal **** they happen to find during the investigation -- which is all they've found/done so far.
It's convenient you just forgot to include the last part (C) in your "parts".
Also, it wasn't Muellers group that prosecuted either Manafort nor Cohen. It was the SDNY office. Keep up.
the premise of this entire escapade is because i said:
The scope of the Mueller investigation was to investigate the Russian Government's involvement in the 2016 election. So far, 464 days and $16.7 million dollars later, the investigation is just doing the job of the IRS and FEC.
and joe replied:
To repeat myself, this is false. Or, at best, one-fifth of the truth. Foreign influence is one of the five main elements of the Mueller investigation.
Are you suggesting that the authority to prosecute any random crimes uncovered during this investigation is a main element of "...a full and thorough investigation of the Russian governments efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election" is the main factor of the investigation? or are you just trying to be clever and failing?
Also, it wasn't Muellers group that prosecuted either Manafort nor Cohen. It was the SDNY office. Keep up.
get your derp **** out of here. Mueller handed these cases off... there would be no tax fraud cases without the "Russia" Investigation.
the premise of this entire escapade is because i said:
and joe replied:
Are you suggesting that the authority to prosecute any random crimes uncovered during this investigation is a main element of "...a full and thorough investigation of the Russian governments efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election" is the main factor of the investigation? or are you just trying to be clever and failing?
get your derp **** out of here. Mueller handed these cases off... there would be no tax fraud cases without the "Russia" Investigation.
I'm failing? It's part of the scope. That he/they wouldn't have been caught is just your stupid attempt at saying how unfair the whole investigation is. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Tough **** they got caught. Doesn't matter to me how they got caught.
okay strawman. Whether or not Cohen/Manafort/Flynn or anyone else caught having committed crimes throughout this investigation is a red herring to what Joe and I are arguing.
here ill make this easy.
Is the scopeof the investigation:
A. a full and thorough investigation of the Russian governments efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.
or
B. the Special Counsel can prosecute any federal crimes found arising from the investigation of these matters.
that's some circular **** if you say B. Also, if you pick B, then define: these matters.
I'm not arguing that the SC can't prosecute these crimes, or shouldn't. I'm simply arguing that the purpose/scope/point of investigation was to: ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.
I say it was, you and joe say it's not. You're arguing the scope of the investigation was to prosecute crimes found during the investigation. I would add that if that's your position, then you completely understand and fully condone the witch-hunt assertion.
okay strawman. Whether or not Cohen/Manafort/Flynn or anyone else caught having committed crimes throughout this investigation is a red herring to what Joe and I are arguing.
here ill make this easy.
Is the scopeof the investigation:
A. a full and thorough investigation of the Russian governments efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.
or
B. the Special Counsel can prosecute any federal crimes found arising from the investigation of these matters.
that's some circular **** if you say B. Also, if you pick B, then define: these matters.
I'm not arguing that the SC can't prosecute these crimes, or shouldn't. I'm simply arguing that the purpose/scope/point of investigation was to: ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.
I say it was, you and joe say it's not. You're arguing the scope of the investigation was to prosecute crimes found during the investigation. I would add that if that's your position, then you completely understand and fully condone the witch-hunt assertion.
Well, it's not an OR thing as you seem to try and make it. They're both related. In the pursuit of the truth, any federal crimes that are uncovered can be tried (my words as I read the order). The fact these these crimes are being tried and closed on before the TRUTH is resolved is what seems to bother you and why you call it a "witch-hunt".
If you're interested at all in the truth, why don't you just wait until the investigation is finished? Maybe you aren't and should just say it. It's not like our government hasn't spent millions on witch-hunts in the past...
Well, it's not an OR thing as you seem to try and make it. They're both related. In the pursuit of the truth, any federal crimes that are uncovered can be tried (my words as I read the order). The fact these these crimes are being tried and closed on before the TRUTH is resolved is what seems to bother you and why you call it a "witch-hunt".
If you're interested at all in the truth, why don't you just wait until the investigation is finished? Maybe you aren't and should just say it. It's not like our government hasn't spent millions on witch-hunts in the past...
Cop out answer; you can't even answer my simple questions or follow the logic.
where is that dig hole image joe posted? You keep throwing out red herrings. where was I talking about find truth?
What is the scope of the investigation? answer that, simply.
if it's not: a full and thorough investigation of the Russian governments efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.
then in one sentence please describe it.
again, ill make this very easy for you:
scope noun
1.
the extent of the area or subject matter that something deals with or to which it is relevant.
Truth Bomb: Cohen and Manafort's arrests/convictions still have nothing to do with the scope of the Mueller investigation.
I feel like the following conversation is taking place:
Joe Perez: The sky is blue.
Braineack:But the Mueller investigation is focused on determining whether or not the sky is pink.
Joe Perez:First, the Mueller investigation has a broader scope than just that, and second, the sky is obviously blue. Here is proof: [proof submitted]
Braineack:Are you even reading outside the highlighted part?
Bahurd: Here, let me specifically respond to the thing you're ignoring. [response]
Brainack: Look, a three-headed monkey!
Joe Perez:(Picard facepalm.)
Given your media background, im not surprised you would hash out the events in such a dishonest way.
Joe Perez: These arrests prove the sky is blue.
Braineack:We never needed proof of that, but these arrests only prove you shouldn't get caught in investigations, they dont prove the sky is blue. But the Mueller investigation is focused on the Russian governments efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and we still have not seen any conviction in those regards or anything after 464 days that suggests Russian government interfered in our election via the Trump campaign.
Joe Perez:First, the Mueller investigation has a broader scope than just that -- that's only 1/5th of the investigation, and second, the sky is obviously blue. Here is proof: [proof submitted]
Braineack:Your proof literately defends my point.And why do you keep mentioning the sky?
Bahurd: Here, let me specifically respond to the things that are not scope. why do not want to see a pursuit of truth? why do you hate cats? why can't you believe the sky is blue?
Brainack: Can someone then tell me what the focus of the investigation is? Are you telling me the focus of the investigation are the crimes found during the investigation? And you're talking about a pursuit of truth?
Joe Perez:Tries to be funny and dis-truthful to make up for losing this argument.
Brainack: Can someone then tell me what the focus of the investigation is? Are you telling me the focus of the investigation are the crimes found during the investigation? And you're talking about a pursuit of truth?
OK, the Russia investigation is merely a cover to keep the Hillary led pedophiles from discovering Trump and Mueller have teamed up to take them down. And Q is actually you.... gigs up!
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