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08-28-2018, 09:12 AM
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Ok, one last time, here is a probable timeline:
1: Office of National Intelligence tasked with investigating Russian influence into US presidential election.
2: Investigators begin looking into all activities between US political figures and Russian interests in Europe & Asia.
3: Investigation discovers that Trump's campaign manager was, at the same time, also secretly an employee of a pro-Russian Ukrainian political party which paid him millions of dollars, and used him to channel an unknown amount of money into US lobbying and campaign efforts.
If the President's campaign manager being simultaneously employed by a foreign government for the purpose of funneling Russian money into the US presidential election isn't potentially suspicious enough to merit wanting to take a closer look, then, like I said, I hope you're on my jury if I'm ever tried for a serious crime.
1: Office of National Intelligence tasked with investigating Russian influence into US presidential election.
2: Investigators begin looking into all activities between US political figures and Russian interests in Europe & Asia.
3: Investigation discovers that Trump's campaign manager was, at the same time, also secretly an employee of a pro-Russian Ukrainian political party which paid him millions of dollars, and used him to channel an unknown amount of money into US lobbying and campaign efforts.
If the President's campaign manager being simultaneously employed by a foreign government for the purpose of funneling Russian money into the US presidential election isn't potentially suspicious enough to merit wanting to take a closer look, then, like I said, I hope you're on my jury if I'm ever tried for a serious crime.
Oh, I'm every defendants dream juror.
Also, lol at Lanny Davis.
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08-28-2018, 12:36 PM
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So you are saying that Trump's former campaign manager was in cahoots with some Ukrainian crooks for many years to do some payoffs under the table and they got nailed by the Mueller investigation.
It seems to me that the mistake Trump's campaign manager made was that he failed to follow the Clinton's playbook of having the funds be funneled into a tax sheltered "Charity" in order to clean up the money trail.
Sure hope crooks and money laundering operations in the future are paying attention because the Clinton's showed them how to do slush funds and payoffs and remain on the right side of the IRS.
It seems to me that the mistake Trump's campaign manager made was that he failed to follow the Clinton's playbook of having the funds be funneled into a tax sheltered "Charity" in order to clean up the money trail.
Sure hope crooks and money laundering operations in the future are paying attention because the Clinton's showed them how to do slush funds and payoffs and remain on the right side of the IRS.
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08-28-2018, 01:14 PM
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That is, after all, the purpose of having an investigation. To discover things.
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08-28-2018, 01:54 PM
FBI official says bureau leaked stories, then used them to get FISA warrants | Fox News
An FBI intelligence analyst admitted to House committees last week that bureau officials were known to leak information to the press and then use the resulting articles to help obtain surveillance warrants, according to a source with knowledge of his testimony.
Jonathan Moffa, who worked with controversial former FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, testified last Friday behind closed doors before the House Judiciary Committee and House Oversight Committee.
The source with knowledge of his statements confirmed to Fox News that Moffa said FBI personnel would use media reports based on information they leaked to justify applications for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrants.
The source told Fox News that Moffa acknowledged this “had been a practice in the past.”
Jonathan Moffa, who worked with controversial former FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, testified last Friday behind closed doors before the House Judiciary Committee and House Oversight Committee.
The source with knowledge of his statements confirmed to Fox News that Moffa said FBI personnel would use media reports based on information they leaked to justify applications for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrants.
The source told Fox News that Moffa acknowledged this “had been a practice in the past.”
Also today turns out HRC's emails were just being straight forwarded to China. Remember she swore an oath to protect that information. An oath that all in her position, and many positions below her swear. This oath specifically includes a line that there is no excuse, no waiver, no exemption; if the data is breached it is thier own fault.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...r-daily-caller
The Chinese firm obtained Clinton’s emails in real time as she sent and received communications and documents through her personal server, according to the sources, who said the hacking was conducted as part of an intelligence operation.
The Chinese wrote code that was embedded in the server, which was kept in Clinton’s residence in upstate New York. The code generated an instant “courtesy copy” for nearly all of her emails and forwarded them to the Chinese company, according to the sources. -Daily Caller
The Chinese wrote code that was embedded in the server, which was kept in Clinton’s residence in upstate New York. The code generated an instant “courtesy copy” for nearly all of her emails and forwarded them to the Chinese company, according to the sources. -Daily Caller
Why is everyone so worried about Russia? Russia, you know, the country with HALF the GDP of California.
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08-28-2018, 04:10 PM
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lol. Liberals, they really love child-sex.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/27/world/europe/vatican-power-struggle-bursts-into-open-as-conservatives-pounce.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes
interesting how the left likes the church when they church is okay with abusing young children...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/27/world/europe/vatican-power-struggle-bursts-into-open-as-conservatives-pounce.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes
With the letter — released in the middle of the pope’s visit to Ireland — an ideologically motivated opposition has weaponized the church’s sex abuse crisis to threaten not only Francis’ agenda but his entire papacy. At the very least, it has returned the issue of homosexuality in the Roman Catholic Church, which many conservatives are convinced lies behind the abuse crisis, to the center of debate.
The left very much cares about dismantling the church’s traditions and adherence to what the Church considers moral values. Despite how modern culture is shifting. See, like it or not, whether you’re Catholic or not, the church isn’t supposed to “move with the times” on issues of church doctrine like abortion, homosexuality, transgenderism and so forth. These matters are not up for debate in the Church. If you disagree, you’re free to not be Catholic.
But the left can’t stand anyone, especially an entity as large as the Catholic Church, would remain unmoving on issues like homosexuality, when the rest of the modern culture has given it the stamp of approval.
So now the media is trapped between a rock and a hard place. They’ve been cheering on Francis for his shifting views on homosexuality, but now it looks as though he’s played a role in covering up the sinful acts of homosexual priests in the church. Based on this article, it seems clear at least The New York Times is more concerned with advancing a homosexual agenda than protecting children from abuse.
Huh. That rather sounds like the issue “Catholic traditionalists” have with this pope and other members of the Church, no?
But the left can’t stand anyone, especially an entity as large as the Catholic Church, would remain unmoving on issues like homosexuality, when the rest of the modern culture has given it the stamp of approval.
So now the media is trapped between a rock and a hard place. They’ve been cheering on Francis for his shifting views on homosexuality, but now it looks as though he’s played a role in covering up the sinful acts of homosexual priests in the church. Based on this article, it seems clear at least The New York Times is more concerned with advancing a homosexual agenda than protecting children from abuse.
Huh. That rather sounds like the issue “Catholic traditionalists” have with this pope and other members of the Church, no?
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08-28-2018, 04:32 PM
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Well, I mean who doesn't, really? Damn society and its pedophobia...
Serious commentary: As a non-Catholic person, it's always been my perception that Catholicism is the one religion in which such matters of doctrine are, in fact, very much open for debate. A great deal of present-day Catholic dogma are the product not of ancient scripture, but rather of ecumenical council. Quite literally, senior officials of the church meet together and take a vote. Further, when the results of such meetings gain the approval of the Pope, they are considered to be infallible, and of equal weight as the original Greek / Hebrew / Aramaic / (etc) sources which make up the bulk of the bible itself.
Or, put another way, the foundational structure of the Catholic church permits it to "move on with the times" in much the same way that the US Constitution contains the procedures for its own revision.
"See, like it or not, whether you’re Catholic or not, the church isn’t supposed to “move with the times” on issues of church doctrine like abortion, homosexuality, transgenderism and so forth. These matters are not up for debate in the Church."
Or, put another way, the foundational structure of the Catholic church permits it to "move on with the times" in much the same way that the US Constitution contains the procedures for its own revision.
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08-28-2018, 06:42 PM
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I'm going to take a moment of pause from my usual routine of mocking God-Emperor Trump to address a news story which is, in all seriousness, rather more distressing.
It begins with some stuff written by a bunch of slave-owners who were probably drunk at the time, and had just gotten done committing treason against King George. To wit: "Congreʃs shall make no law (...) abridging the freedom of speech,"
They also wrote some other stuff, much of it important. And for a long time, it seemed to matter.
But then this happened:
‘Words can get out of hand’: Cussing in Myrtle Beach can cost you money or jail time
BY HANNAH STRONG
August 25, 2018 05:42 PM
You may want to think twice if you’re about to shout a four-letter word at someone while walking down Myrtle Beach’s Ocean Boulevard.
Those who get caught publicly using profanity in the City of Myrtle Beach could be taken to jail or issued a citation.
The lewd, obscene and profane language ordinance — a misdemeanor — falls under the city’s disorderly conduct offense.
The charge factors in context — using the unlawful language toward another person — and the language being said in public places.
Lt. Bryan Murphy with Myrtle Beach Police Department said a person would violate the ordinance if he or she uses language to “provoke a violent reaction from another person.”
“We encourage everyone to avoid violating this ordinance by speaking to others with the same respect and kindness you deserve,” Murphy said.
The offense plainly states a person should not make, utter or direct any lewd, obscene or profane words toward another person. Those words include “libelous expletive” or “fighting” words.
The city brought in $22,161 last year from profane language citations, according to information from a Freedom of Information Act request by The Sun News. With 289 tickets issued, each averaged about $77.
City of Myrtle Beach spokesman Mark Kruea said the goal behind ordinances and laws is not the fine.
“It’s not the ticket,” he said. “It’s compliance. The goal is to have folks obey whatever rules, ordinance that any government puts in place.”
In reference to the profane language charge, behavior, actions and words “can get out of hand,” Kruea said.
“There is an expectation of a certain amount of propriety in a public place,” he said.
“People get excited from time to time,” Kruea said. “There are limits, I think, to how excited one can be and how much expressive behavior one can share with the public without infringing on somebody else’s right.”
Capt. John Harrelson with Horry County Police Department said the county does not have a similar ordinance specific to profane language, but officers do utilize the public disorderly conduct or common law breach of peace statutes.
Both of those are state laws, Harrelson said, and, in certain circumstances, can involve lewd language as part of the crime.
https://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/ne...216599495.html
You know what?
****. That. ****.
Sidebar: George? Really? That's what people call the slightly retarded guy from Romania who pushes the ice-cream cart, and whose actual name is unpronounceable by native speakers of English. George is a shitty name for a King.
Don't get me wrong, George is a nice guy. And while I totally trust him to oversee the United Kingdom of Blue Bunny and Häagen-Dazs, he just ain't the right choice for ruling an Empire which makes Rome look like a boy scout meeting.
It begins with some stuff written by a bunch of slave-owners who were probably drunk at the time, and had just gotten done committing treason against King George. To wit: "Congreʃs shall make no law (...) abridging the freedom of speech,"
They also wrote some other stuff, much of it important. And for a long time, it seemed to matter.
But then this happened:
‘Words can get out of hand’: Cussing in Myrtle Beach can cost you money or jail time
BY HANNAH STRONG
August 25, 2018 05:42 PM
You may want to think twice if you’re about to shout a four-letter word at someone while walking down Myrtle Beach’s Ocean Boulevard.
Those who get caught publicly using profanity in the City of Myrtle Beach could be taken to jail or issued a citation.
The lewd, obscene and profane language ordinance — a misdemeanor — falls under the city’s disorderly conduct offense.
The charge factors in context — using the unlawful language toward another person — and the language being said in public places.
Lt. Bryan Murphy with Myrtle Beach Police Department said a person would violate the ordinance if he or she uses language to “provoke a violent reaction from another person.”
“We encourage everyone to avoid violating this ordinance by speaking to others with the same respect and kindness you deserve,” Murphy said.
The offense plainly states a person should not make, utter or direct any lewd, obscene or profane words toward another person. Those words include “libelous expletive” or “fighting” words.
The city brought in $22,161 last year from profane language citations, according to information from a Freedom of Information Act request by The Sun News. With 289 tickets issued, each averaged about $77.
City of Myrtle Beach spokesman Mark Kruea said the goal behind ordinances and laws is not the fine.
“It’s not the ticket,” he said. “It’s compliance. The goal is to have folks obey whatever rules, ordinance that any government puts in place.”
In reference to the profane language charge, behavior, actions and words “can get out of hand,” Kruea said.
“There is an expectation of a certain amount of propriety in a public place,” he said.
“People get excited from time to time,” Kruea said. “There are limits, I think, to how excited one can be and how much expressive behavior one can share with the public without infringing on somebody else’s right.”
Capt. John Harrelson with Horry County Police Department said the county does not have a similar ordinance specific to profane language, but officers do utilize the public disorderly conduct or common law breach of peace statutes.
Both of those are state laws, Harrelson said, and, in certain circumstances, can involve lewd language as part of the crime.
https://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/ne...216599495.html
You know what?
****. That. ****.
Sidebar: George? Really? That's what people call the slightly retarded guy from Romania who pushes the ice-cream cart, and whose actual name is unpronounceable by native speakers of English. George is a shitty name for a King.
Don't get me wrong, George is a nice guy. And while I totally trust him to oversee the United Kingdom of Blue Bunny and Häagen-Dazs, he just ain't the right choice for ruling an Empire which makes Rome look like a boy scout meeting.
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08-28-2018, 07:09 PM
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There is a huge difference between silencing someone's free speech and a drunk ******* yelling "**** you" at the top of his lungs at 2 in the morning after the bars close.
Myrtle Beach is trying to find a legal way of rousting the drunken college boy ****-stains that come down for spring break and think they can do any damn thing they want.
Personally, I think a little nightstick and taser action is warranted, too. But I'm a ****, what the hell do I know?
Myrtle Beach is trying to find a legal way of rousting the drunken college boy ****-stains that come down for spring break and think they can do any damn thing they want.
Personally, I think a little nightstick and taser action is warranted, too. But I'm a ****, what the hell do I know?
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08-28-2018, 07:17 PM
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My concern is not that the Myrtle Beach PD is going to start rounding up swearers left and right tomorrow, but rather that busybodies and snowflakes are going to start citing the law a few years from now as justification for silencing more rational, sober voices which happen to offend them.
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08-28-2018, 07:25 PM
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They've had this in VA beach for a long time now.
https://www.vabeach.com/virginia-bea...o-cursing-law/
State =\= Congress.
See also: tenth.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
https://www.vabeach.com/virginia-bea...o-cursing-law/
State =\= Congress.
See also: tenth.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
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08-28-2018, 08:12 PM
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Actually, that's rather far from being true. Two reasons are commonly cited.
The first, and weaker argument, is the New States Clause. Article IV, Section 3, Para 1 sets forth that Congress may authorize the admission of new states into the union. And as these new states are permitted to be admitted only by the authority of Congress, the limitations of power which are incumbent upon Congressional authority are inherited by those states delegated by it.
Obviously this does not apply to Virginia, and reasonable arguments can be made in either direction as to whether it applies to South Carolina.
The second, and much stronger argument, is the Supremacy Clause. Article VI, Para 2:
Broadly speaking, this means that the Constitution applies to the States as well as to the Federal government. And while I'm sure that it's possible to come up with some edge-case rulings in which The Court has, in some roundabout way, determined that the States are not strictly encumbered by the First Amendment, I haven't personally found any.
(Sidebar: Why the **** didn't Kentucky enact an amendment to its state Constitution which effectively annulled the 18th Amendment within its borders? That would have been hilarious.)
The first, and weaker argument, is the New States Clause. Article IV, Section 3, Para 1 sets forth that Congress may authorize the admission of new states into the union. And as these new states are permitted to be admitted only by the authority of Congress, the limitations of power which are incumbent upon Congressional authority are inherited by those states delegated by it.
Obviously this does not apply to Virginia, and reasonable arguments can be made in either direction as to whether it applies to South Carolina.
The second, and much stronger argument, is the Supremacy Clause. Article VI, Para 2:
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
Broadly speaking, this means that the Constitution applies to the States as well as to the Federal government. And while I'm sure that it's possible to come up with some edge-case rulings in which The Court has, in some roundabout way, determined that the States are not strictly encumbered by the First Amendment, I haven't personally found any.
(Sidebar: Why the **** didn't Kentucky enact an amendment to its state Constitution which effectively annulled the 18th Amendment within its borders? That would have been hilarious.)
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08-29-2018, 10:54 AM
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Oh Donnie. Socialism is really bad. Until it's not, I guess.
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/28/64252...ntent=20180828
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/28/64252...ntent=20180828
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08-29-2018, 11:33 AM
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Oh Donnie. Socialism is really bad. Until it's not, I guess.
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/28/64252...ntent=20180828
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/28/64252...ntent=20180828
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