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Old 10-18-2018, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by vitamin j View Post
Simple answer: volume of users.
So I guess MT.net is a monopoly because the volume of users looking for info on turbo'd miatas is far more here? Should the government intervene and protect those newbs from the banhammer just because? Carry on...
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Old 10-18-2018, 04:21 PM
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I get all my political news from MT.net
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Old 10-18-2018, 04:23 PM
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I would argue the sources of information available today has never been more. That the public is dependant of fewer of them is the fault of the public not the platform. But that's probably a different topic. If I recall, the abolishment of the PUHCA has been a driving theme of the Republican party for at least a decade. You know, the old small government = good for business kind of thing.
I actually completely agree with this, and it's very possible that, as FB and TW become more and more extreme in their leftism, people will voluntarily abandon the platforms, which would correct the issue without government intervention. In fact, that would definitely be the ideal solution; one of, if not the, main tenet(s) of the American idea of freedom is that people are smart enough to think for themselves and don't need the government to babysit them. I would hope that, if FB and TW continue to be propaganda machines and censor conservative thought, people will recognize it and reject it. I guess we already saw that when Trump got elected, so maybe it's already more of a reality than it seems to be.
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So I guess MT.net is a monopoly because the volume of users looking for info on turbo'd miatas is far more here? Should the government intervene and protect those newbs from the banhammer just because? Carry on...
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Seriously, WTF is wrong with these people? I still don't understand what they think is going to happen when they finally succeed in inciting widespread violence.

Pelosi was being interviewed onstage by Paul Krugman, the left-wing New York Times columnist and Nobel economic laureate who predicted, the day Donald Trump won the presidency, that Trump would trigger “a global recession, with no end in sight.”

In a long, rambling monologue, during which she stumbled on her words and appeared to lose her train of thought, Pelosi said:We have to have total clarity about what we do, when it comes to everything — a woman’s right to choose, gay marriage … whether it’s about immigration, whether it’s about gun safety, whether it’s about climate … I think that we owe the American people to be there for them, for their financial security, respecting the dignity and worth of every person in our country, and if there’s some collateral damage for some others who do not share our view, well, so be it, but it shouldn’t be our original purpose.
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This made me laugh far too much

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Most of what I've read about your term Social Media as a Public Utility is in regards to data/privacy. Are you supporting a narrative that would force a commercial social media platform to publish both sides of an argument i.e. left speech <> right speech through regulations or saying just language in whatever form? Trying harder... to understand you.

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Originally Posted by bahurd View Post
Are you supporting a narrative that would enforce a commercial social media platform to publish both sides of an argument i.e. left speech <> right speech through regulations or saying just language in whatever form? Trying harder... to understand you.
I don't suppose to speak for VJ, but I believe that "Common Carrier" is a better analogy than "Public Utility."

The phone company is an example of a common carrier. They transmit whatever content you put through their system, and make no effort to analyze or regulate that content except as required by law (eg: wiretaps, DMCA, etc.) As a result, they are absolved from legal liability for any content which they carry. Ie: the phone company cannot be named as an accessory to a crime merely because the people who perpetrated the crime used the phone to communicate. Or, in the case of hacking / data theft / etc., use the phone to commit the actual crime itself.

A case could be made to treat Facebook and the like as common carriers. The problem, of course, is that when someone gets busted for hosting a child **** website, nobody screams "The phone company should have done something to prevent this!"

By contrast, there are lots of shrill voices crying out for Facebook to censor what they consider to be "hate speech," (eg: photos of people behaving in a calm and civil manner while wearing a red hat.)
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I don't suppose to speak for VJ, but I believe that "Common Carrier" is a better analogy than "Public Utility."

The phone company is an example of a common carrier. They transmit whatever content you put through their system, and make no effort to analyze or regulate that content except as required by law (eg: wiretaps, DMCA, etc.) As a result, they are absolved from legal liability for any content which they carry. Ie: the phone company cannot be named as an accessory to a crime merely because the people who perpetrated the crime used the phone to communicate. Or, in the case of hacking / data theft / etc., use the phone to commit the actual crime itself.

A case could be made to treat Facebook and the like as common carriers.
The Communications Decency Act (1996) pretty much already does this unless there was intent on the part of the web site itself to harm as in the Hulk Hogan case Bolea v. Gawker.

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Old 10-19-2018, 12:09 AM
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The Communications Decency Act (1996) pretty much already does this unless there was intent on the part of the web site itself to harm as in the Hulk Hogan case Bolea v. Gawker.
Kind of not, actually.

The CDA has generally been interpreted by the courts as applying to internet service providers, rather than content providers (websites). In this context, an ISP is considered to have common-carrier status similar to the phone company wherein liability is concerned.

The operators of individual websites have found mixed success in citing the CDA as a defense against liability, including those whose content is principally user-produced. Some cases have resulted in not-liable verdicts, others have not.

Examples of situations in which websites hosting user-generated content were found not to be immune from liability under the CDA:
  • Fair Housing Council of San Fernando Valley v. Roommates.com, LLC, 521 F.3d 1157 (9th Cir. 2008)
  • Jane Doe No. 14 v. Internet Brands, Inc., No. 12-56638 (9th Cir. Sept. 17, 2014) (Oh, look! Our corporate overlords!)
  • MCW, Inc. v. badbusinessbureau.com (RipOff Report/Ed Magedson/XCENTRIC Ventures LLC) 2004 WL 833595, No. Civ.A.3:02-CV-2727-G, (N.D. Tex. April 19, 2004)
  • Hy Cite Corp. v. badbusinessbureau.com (RipOff Report/Ed Magedson/XCENTRIC Ventures LLC), 418 F. Supp. 2d 1142 (D. Ariz. 2005)
The question which I posit is whether individual websites (Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, etc) whose content is principally generated by the users of the service rather than by the owners / employees, should be considered to be Common Carriers or Content Providers?
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So IB Nolan ... cats appear to be enabled for this thread now.
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So IB Nolan ... cats appear to be enabled for this thread now.
Every cat vote counts.

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I listened to a curious piece from NPR this morning about a first generation immigrant family. Parents were political prisoners and escaped Vietnam, daughter was raised in the US. The parents were very republican and thought Trump was doing a good job. The daughter was "fearful" that the she was seeing the "same things that happened in Vietnam" now happening in the US to minorities and women.

I have seen this before back in South Florida, and just thought it was interesting to see the people that experience a communist regime with those that imagine it.
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I listened to a curious piece from NPR this morning about a first generation immigrant family. Parents were political prisoners and escaped Vietnam, daughter was raised in the US. The parents were very republican and thought Trump was doing a good job. The daughter was "fearful" that the she was seeing the "same things that happened in Vietnam" now happening in the US to minorities and women.
As a first-generation American whose family fled to the US to escape from a violent Communist regime, I can respond to this easily, and even empathize with the girl to a limited extent.

The parents, having experienced actual oppression, have a sense of perspective, and are able to distinguish between the fear-mongering of present-day US sociopolitical political rhetoric and legitimate danger. The daughter, having grown up in a safe and sheltered environment while hearing tales of the old country, does not, and understandably transposes her parent's horror stories upon the hyperbolic propaganda being fed to her by the ultraleft.
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Joe Perez scoffs at Ayn Rand -- she used to say the same...

But I agree, this girl was told by the TV to be scared or orange man.

































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Remember when Braineack used to participate in conversations in this thread, rather than just flooding it with copies of whatever politimeme he most recently discovered?
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(Does that exact thing)




(That video was pretty sad, though.)
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that wasnt the same thing and then i said i agreed with you, bro.

When one observes the nightmare of the desperate efforts made by hundreds of thousands of people struggling to escape from the socialized countries of Europe, to escape over barbed-wire fences, under machine-gun fire—one can no longer believe that socialism, in any of its forms, is motivated by benevolence and by the desire to achieve men’s welfare.

No man of authentic benevolence could evade or ignore so great a horror on so vast a scale.

Socialism is not a movement of the people. It is a movement of the intellectuals, originated, led and controlled by the intellectuals, carried by them out of their stuffy ivory towers into those bloody fields of practice where they unite with their allies and executors: the thugs.
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So IB Nolan ... cats appear to be enabled for this thread now.
It's almost like I already pointed that out.
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It's almost like I already pointed that out.
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