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Opti 11-12-2012 09:25 PM

Secede!!!!!!!
 

In the wake of last week's presidential election, thousands of Americans have signed petitions seeking permission for their states to peacefully secede from the United States. The petitions were filed on We the People, a government website.

States with citizens filing include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas. Oddly, folks from Georgia have filed twice. Even stranger, several of the petitions come from states that went for President Barack Obama.

The petitions are short and to the point. For example, a petition from the Volunteer State reads: "Peacefully grant the State of Tennessee to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government." Of all the petitions, Texas has the most signatures so far, with more than 23,000.

Of course, this is mostly a symbolic gesture. The odds of the American government granting any state permission to go its own way are on par with winning the lottery while getting hit by a meteor while seeing Bigfoot while finding gluten-free pizza that tastes like the real thing.

An article from WKRC quotes a University of Louisville political science professor who explained that these petitions aren't uncommon. Similar petitions were filed following the 2004 and 2008 elections. Still, should the petitions garner 25,000 signatures in a month, they will require an official response from the Obama administration.

From the We the People site:

The right to petition your government is guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. We the People provides a new way to petition the Obama Administration to take action on a range of important issues facing our country. We created We the People because we want to hear from you. If a petition gets enough support, White House staff will review it, ensure it's sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response.

Not everybody who wants to secede is polite enough to write a petition. Peter Morrison, treasurer of the Hardin County (Texas) Republican Party, wrote a post-election newsletter in which he urges the Lone Star State to leave the Union.

"We must contest every single inch of ground and delay the baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists at every opportunity. But in due time, the maggots will have eaten every morsel of flesh off of the rotting corpse of the Republic, and therein lies our opportunity... Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government? Let each go her own way in peace, sign a free trade agreement among the states and we can avoid this gut-wrenching spectacle every four years."
Apparently some want to

2ndGearRubber 11-12-2012 09:30 PM

Just like all the people who "left" the US and went to Canada after Bush won. ;)



Google says 25,674,681 people live in texas. 23000 want to leave? Big whoop; they probably voted for Nadar too.

dk wolf 11-12-2012 09:33 PM

It's stupid, any retard can go out and get 150 signatures (which is the minimum need to petition for secession.).

29 thousand you say? Whats that? Like .11% of the texas population? please don't make me laugh with this nonsense.

dk wolf 11-12-2012 09:35 PM

Also, just so you guys know.. the current texas petition for secession has been up since 2009 and only garnered 29k signatures..

So laugh even harder at this fucking nonsense

Opti 11-13-2012 08:34 PM

I was told the Texas petition has 63000 signatures this morning.

dk wolf 11-13-2012 08:58 PM

.2%

because that's such a huge threat.. hahahaha
Plus, the average texan isn't known for their high political intellect. Easily manipulated by what seems to fit their "image".

At least, that's been my experience.

18psi 11-13-2012 10:17 PM

paging hustler lolz

Bryce 11-13-2012 10:23 PM

It got a spot on the news tonight. Count was up to 75k according to them. There's also another petition to "Deport all those who signed petitions to secede from the Union". It has garnered 8k signatures.

All this shit is hilarious.

thenuge26 11-13-2012 10:42 PM

lmao I will definitely sign that one!

vehicular 11-13-2012 10:53 PM

Nobody is actually seceding from the Union. Nobody actually thinks they're going to be allowed to secede. It's a symbolic eff you to Obama. I hope it makes him mad.

buffon01 11-13-2012 10:59 PM


Originally Posted by Bryce (Post 949578)
It got a spot on the news tonight. Count was up to 75k according to them. There's also another petition to "Deport all those who signed petitions to secede from the Union". It has garnered 8k signatures.

All this shit is hilarious.

Oh you beat me to it. This could deliver some lulz in the coming days...

Sparetire 11-14-2012 12:31 AM

Is it stupid to say that this junk is a good example of why we are a republic?

Cause I'll go ahead and say that if people think it is smart.

Joe Perez 11-14-2012 12:46 AM

The gravest problem facing the electoral system is undoubtedly the electorate.

Jeff_Ciesielski 11-14-2012 01:09 AM

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darkcambria 11-14-2012 08:22 AM

I like this one also

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...tates/TDD212hQ

"Austin Texas continues to suffer difficulties stemming from the lack of civil, religious, and political freedoms imposed upon the city by less liberally minded Texans. It is entirely feasible for Austin to operate as its own state, within the United States, in the event that Texas is successful in the current bid to secede. It is important for Austin to remain in the union as to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers.

We would also like to annex Dublin Texas, Lockhart Texas, & Shiner Texas."

darkcambria 11-14-2012 08:25 AM

Also, another good one

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...union/St0y9qBM

"Force all states to pay their portion of the national debt before they can secede from the union
Residents of all states who wish to secede from the union should be required to take their own advice about 'personal responsibility', and pay their share of the national debt before being released to fend for themselves.

This debt must be paid in full, or they cannot leave.

This means no federal assistance, period.

Abridged list includes no more upkeep for highways, nor for interstates or bridges, no federally funded law enforcement or fire department, no public libraries, no phone lines, no cable television, no cell phone towers, no power grids, no water lines, no mail services, no paramedics, no hospitals which accept Medicare/Medicaid funding, no ATF, FBI, DOJ, SWAT, or Department of Homeland Security, no Border Guard, National Guard, Coast Guard, Corps of Engineers, or WITSEC."

hustler 11-14-2012 08:57 AM

I like how conservaderps on TV and radio are clinging to this story, it's all they have left after Jehova betrayed their destiny.

Joe Perez 11-14-2012 12:09 PM

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Re: Texas.

I'm sure we've all seen those cute images of "The World According to America" and such.

Ran across one depicting "America as seen from Europe" which made me chuckle.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1352913020

So it's kind of pointless for Texas to secede.

Opti 11-14-2012 09:31 PM

Got a spot on the news today, so I had to look.

Peacefully grant the State of Texas to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.

The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.
Been open since Nov 9th and has 104K signatures
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...nment/BmdWCP8B

gospeed81 11-15-2012 10:26 AM

I can think of a lot of reasons that our state will never successfully secede...oil being one of them.

Braineack 11-15-2012 10:38 AM

Really, oil came to mind first? Not that it's retarded?

gospeed81 11-15-2012 11:02 AM

Was pointing towards reasons the Federal Government would work to prevent it, not the reasons we couldn't pull it off.

sixshooter 11-15-2012 03:32 PM

From Wiki:

As of 2010, Texas had a gross state product (GSP) of $1.207 trillion, the second highest in the U.S. Its GSP is comparable to the GDP of India or Canada, which are the world's 12th- and 11th-largest economies, respectively. Texas' economy is the fourth-largest of any country subdivision globally, behind England (as part of the UK), California, and Tokyo Prefecture.

It is 10% larger than France and almost twice as large as Germany or Japan.

In 2010, Site Selection Magazine ranked Texas as the most business-friendly state in the nation, in part because of the state's three-billion-dollar Texas Enterprise Fund. Texas has the joint-highest number of Fortune 500 company headquarters in the United States, along with California.

Texans' state and local tax burdens rank among the lowest in the nation. Texas is one of seven states that lack a state income tax. Texas is a "tax donor state"; in 2005, for every dollar Texans paid to the federal government in federal income taxes, the state received approximately $0.94 in benefits.

In 2010, there were 346,000 millionaires in Texas, constituting the second-largest population of millionaires in the nation.

Texas has the most farms and the highest acreage in the United States. Texas leads the nation in livestock production. Cattle is the state's most valuable agricultural product, and the state leads nationally in production of sheep and goat products. Texas leads the nation in production of cotton. The state grows significant amounts of cereal crops and produce. Texas has a large commercial fishing industry. With mineral resources, Texas leads in creating cement, crushed stone, lime, salt, sand and gravel.

Texas has known petroleum deposits which make up approximately one-fourth of the known U.S. reserves. The Baytown Refinery in the Houston area is the largest refinery in America.

Texas also leads in natural gas production, producing one-fourth of the nation's supply.

The state is a leader in renewable energy sources; it produces the most wind power in the nation.

Face it, Texas doesn't need the US like the US needs Texas. If they seceded, I would move there.

NA6C-Guy 11-16-2012 10:16 AM

Fuck them. Give them an island somewhere and let all of those mouth breathing, hillbilly teeth having racist rednecks have their own land and hopefully they will all kill each other out of paranoia and because someone didn't ask permission to sleep with their sister who is also their lover...

sixshooter 11-16-2012 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NA6C-Guy (Post 950398)
Fuck them. Give them an island somewhere and let all of those mouth breathing, hillbilly teeth having racist rednecks have their own land and hopefully they will all kill each other out of paranoia and because someone didn't ask permission to sleep with their sister who is also their lover...

Says the man from Alabama with the Doc Holiday mustache.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1353079761

NA6C-Guy 11-16-2012 10:40 AM

:rofl: ...no. All the more reason for me to say so, I'm neck deep is retardation around here. The mustache is long gone for the record. Me and high maintenance hair is not a good mix.

buffon01 11-16-2012 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 950402)
Says the man from Alabama with the Doc Holiday mustache.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1353079761

+1 Prop :giggle:

sixshooter 11-16-2012 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by NA6C-Guy (Post 950406)
I'm neck deep is retardation around here.

I hate to tell you and destroy your faith in humanity, but there is plenty of retardation everywhere. I've spent time in most of the states during my life and I can say that there are retards and intellectuals everywhere. What is important is attitude. And attitudes of condescension toward others are prevalent in the northeast and west coast. Looking down upon those in flyover country is not just something they do from airplanes. Do not perpetuate the myth.
But the people on this forum are typically above average in acuity and they can all, no matter where they live, attest to the intellectual depravity of the proletariat in their corner of the world.

Joe Perez 11-16-2012 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 950554)
And attitudes of condescension toward others are prevalent in the northeast and west coast.

People from the west coast are condescending? You poor, backwards Floridians just don't understand how the world works.










:D

Savington 11-16-2012 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 950082)
Really, oil came to mind first? Not that it's retarded?

I lol'd IRL :rofl:

elesjuan 11-16-2012 05:13 PM

Who came up with the idea for that dumbass site again?

Opti 11-17-2012 10:31 PM

I wonder how many petitions on that site have actually led to something happening. I bet it's close to zero

sixshooter 11-18-2012 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by Opti (Post 950871)
I wonder how many petitions on that site have actually led to something happening. I bet it's close to zero

Well, since roughly zero states have seceded in the last 145 or so years, I'd be willing to give you that one.

Opti 11-19-2012 11:41 PM

Well they arent all about seceding, some are about the post office or obamacare. They have a response page, but I failed to check any responses assuming they all read similar to this.

"We appreciate your concern and will take your opinion into consideration as we...... vague statements that do not directly address the subject...some more vague stuff to make the reader forget what the hell they were reading.....blah blah blah."

You know similar normal political speak.

FYI, the Texas Secession petition seems to have stagnated around 115K signatures.

thenuge26 11-20-2012 09:10 AM

.44%, sooooo close.

Also that has been the response for all of the petitions. A good idea, but pretty worthless if you don't do anything with them once they are signed.

mgeoffriau 11-20-2012 01:24 PM

I did find a least one petition worthy of signing.

http://wh.gov/Xe42

Scrappy Jack 11-20-2012 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by mgeoffriau (Post 951582)
I did find a least one petition worthy of signing.

http://wh.gov/Xe42

Blackguard! Hoosegow!

vehicular 11-20-2012 02:01 PM

I signed, lol.


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