Originally Posted by blaen99
(Post 817613)
You don't have that right.
However, you do have the right to not be in a private business with a clear danger to your health - for instance, poisonous food or air with carcinogens. That is the logic being used for the smoke ban, in that cigarette smoke is considered harmful by the federal government. However, the legislators are choosing to ignore the fact that you don't have to go into a smoking restaurant. |
And while you might think you have "private property" if you run a "public" business...you don't. Try to refuse service to a specific race or religion, Have a "business practice" of getting your patrons as drunk as possible and encouraging them to drive home, have a "business practice" of only serving rotten food.
All those things are "private" business practices in which the government will not allow you to engage. The idea of "private property" in 'public business' has always amused me. |
FRT the business DOES have the right to chose to allow people to smoke....they just have to make the establisment "21 and up" or sell memberships making it a "private club"
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Originally Posted by FRT_Fun
(Post 817616)
What about the people who work there? I mean yea they can choose not to work there. But isn't the smoke some kind of OSHA thing.
FRT the business DOES have the right to chose to allow people to smoke....they just have to make the establisment "21 and up" or sell memberships making it a "private club" |
Originally Posted by TNTUBA
(Post 817617)
The idea of "private property" in 'public business' has alway amused me.
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Originally Posted by TNTUBA
(Post 817618)
....they just have to make the establisment "21 and up"
not in elkhart indiana |
Originally Posted by jared8783
(Post 817623)
:rofl:
not in elkhart indiana That has nothing to do with the proposed legislation. Depending on how the proposed legislation is implemented, it may even override Elkhart's ordinances. |
Originally Posted by TNTUBA
(Post 817618)
FRT the business DOES have the right to chose to allow people to smoke....they just have to make the establisment "21 and up" or sell memberships making it a "private club"
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regardless blaen
law only requires you to be 18 to smoke im talking about smoking bans in general i didn't start this thread to only discuss the specific legislation being proposed in the state of indiana |
Originally Posted by jared8783
(Post 817628)
regardless blaen
law only requires you to be 18 to smoke im talking about smoking bans in general i didn't start this thread to only discuss the specific legislation being proposed in the state of indiana Specifically, that individual rights trump property rights. |
personally I've never understood individual rights. Seems like it's a massive contradiction.
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Originally Posted by FRT_Fun
(Post 817620)
They can serve rotten food if they tell the customer, and probably have them sign some sort of waiver.
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Second hand smoke is BULLSH!T
For any of you who think second hand smoke is going to kill you, watch this:
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Originally Posted by FRT_Fun
(Post 817634)
personally I've never understood individual rights. Seems like it's a massive contradiction.
In this case, second-hand smoke is considered a hazardous substance by the federal government, and a potential carcinogen. The basic theory is that you have the Right (capital R, Bill of Rights Right) to not have someone deluge you in hazardous substances and carcinogens in your daily life if you do not have a choice in the matter. Hence why I support a universal smoking ban on all government buildings, but not private property. (Edit) Much <3 for Gearhead's link, someone show our federal legislators that. |
Originally Posted by blaen99
(Post 817637)
Hence why I support a universal smoking ban on all government buildings, but not private property.
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When I was young and retarded, there were no smoking bans in restaurants and bars... so I went and hated how shitty it made me feel the next day and what I smelled like... but I went anyways because I was young and retarded.
Then smoking bans started coming around and I loved it. Going to a bar didn't have to suck anymore. I could get drunk and take a chick home and not smell like a Pakistani taxi-cab from Pakistan. Now that I'm nice and old at age 35, I wouldn't be caught dead in a smoking bar/restaurant. It's just not worth it to me. There is nothing in a bar that I need to see or do bad enough to subject myself to that crap. On the other hand, Jared is exactly right. If you choose to work or patronize a bar that allows smoking, then enjoy your reduced lifespan. On the other hand, those lower-socioeconomic status types who choose to smoke and give themselves cancer are going to get their medical care out of my tax dollars, so I'm all in favor of making it as hard as governmentally possible for people to smoke. Perhaps if you had to show proof of private healthcare to enter a smoking bar, then I'd be all cool with it. |
Or proof of private health insurance or "financial responsibility" in order to purchase "smokes." I'm sorry but with all the empirical data showing just how dangerous smoking is...if you are dumb enough to still do it you probably shouldn't be allowed out in public anyway.
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Originally Posted by samnavy
(Post 817643)
On the other hand, those lower-socioeconomic status types who choose to smoke and give themselves cancer are going to get their medical care out of my tax dollars, so I'm all in favor of making it as hard as governmentally possible for people to smoke. Perhaps if you had to show proof of private healthcare to enter a smoking bar, then I'd be all cool with it.
wow you want to justify legislation that infringes on our rights to make up for legislation that infringes on our rights? |
I agree with Samnavy completely on the non-smoking points.
Originally Posted by TNTUBA
(Post 817649)
Or proof of private health insurance or "financial responsibility" in order to purchase "smokes." I'm sorry but with all the empirical data showing just how dangerous smoking is...if you are dumb enough to still do it you probably shouldn't be allowed out in public anyway.
I'd rather the gov't not get involved in taking more things away from us :(. |
Smoking is dangerous, second hand smoke is wayyyyyyy over hyped.
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