Originally Posted by Joe
Here's the market data: http://www.arbitron.com/home/mm001050.asp (Is it just me, or is it kind of interesting that, according to Arbitron, Puerto Rico is the only place in the entire US where there are no hispanics whatsoever?)
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Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 855029)
The idea behind the lawsuit is that the market relies on the data to determine advertising rates. Customers trust that Arbitron is an expert and should know how to effectively gather data. The fact that the data was faulty for reason's arbitron should have known is the case for negligence and discrimination. You act as if the money is going to minorities. It is not.
And why is their supposed f-ckup discriminatory worthy of punishment under a law that's supposed to protect minorities from racism? case for negligence and discrimination You keep arguing like a lawyer and you know it. |
The constant harping about discrimination is something that I think will, in the future, be looked on the same way we view segregation today. How could they think that discrimination was bad?
Everyone discriminates every single day. You reject stupid/ugly partners as potential mates. You dicriminate against the place that shorts the meat in tacos, or has higher prices but no better products. Discrimination in and of istelf is how we make decisions. Discrimination based solely on the color of someone's skin is bad. But stereotypes often have a degree of truth, and are perpetuated by the ones screaming the loudest. We've all heard the stories of some minority that is fired and sues, but how many of those are what most would consider "normal"? No, it's always the ones who think that they can get away with bending the rules because they have that minority shield to protect them. My wife worked for Wegmans Food Markets. Consistantly in the top 10 of best places to work. Good pay, benefits, etc. They had a mentally disbled guy (we-TODD-ed) working there (prepared foods dept.) who was a diswasher. Terrible work ethic, and deliberately did things wrong, because he kenw they could never fire him. It took 6-8 months of written and photographic evidence to finally can him, because they were so scared of the lawsuits. More scared than failing health inspections due to improperly washed dishes. That's downright scary. |
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 854941)
The underlying technology is indistinguishable from magic (a bunch of stuff about psychoacoustic masking of embedded recognition tones), but the fact is that the system works pretty well.
One possible inference we might draw is that people of one group might be more likely to do than people of another. Sadly, that just won't do for many city attorneys. If so, it would be an example of BS laws being used as a bludgeon by competitors or losers in business. And as we fight amongst each other, the lawyers profit. |
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 855038)
Neither does the money in any number of class action lawsuits. The beneficiaries are the lawyers.
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 855038)
And why is their supposed f-ckup discriminatory worthy of punishment under a law that's supposed to protect minorities from racism?
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 855038)
Negligence no,
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 855038)
discrimination, Bullshit!
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 855038)
You keep arguing like a lawyer and you know it.
However, I never said that this case was cut and dry negligence. I merely stated that there was some merit to the claims and it wasn't completely bullshit as you stated in the OP. |
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Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 855053)
Wait, do they give a device to the radio stations to add in inaudible sekrit tones?
You also get a PPM decoder / monitor, which receives your own over-the-air signal and decodes it to look for the presence of the ID signal. If it is not found, then it sounds an alarm and gives a relay closure, which you can use to activate an automatic switchover to the backup encoder and alert the engineering department. In larger stations with full-time newsrooms, the relay closure from the decoder is usually also brought out to drive a huge strobe or police-car light in the newsroom. Stations take this seriously, as loss of PPM encoding is just as bad as actually being off the air, from a ratings perspective. Here's a stack of encoders and decoders, I can't remember which station this is from: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1332955120 This services three different radio stations, grouped into clusters of two encoders and one decoder each. The top (main) encoder is enabled on all three stations (the keyswitch, which is an actual, physical key, is set to "enable" and the green "encoding" light is on), however the decoder at the bottom is indicating a fault condition, evidenced by the red light. |
Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 855071)
Considering that these are state lawyers as prosecution they do not benefit whether they win or lose, atleast not monetarily. if you had quoted the whole section you have also captured the MONEY GOES TO THE STATE portion of it.
Negligence, yes! They are looked to as experts and as such have a lot of control over the market. Yes I am (arguing like a lawyer). This is because I am part of the accounting community which deals with the backlash of this legal ---- I am pointing out that the SYSTEM is bullshit and it won't change unless awareness spreads. Your arguments are valid wrt living in the system, but people should recognize it is F*CKED UP and makes our lives worse. |
Joe - the degree of specialization as a result of the profit reward system of the market never ceases to amaze me. Some guy out there has spent the last >10 years of his life on this very narrow niche. And with what he earns he turbos his truck and posts kitten pictures on the internet or buys fat porn or something. Which in turn is provided by some other guy who spent 10 years or more of his life refining....
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 855076)
This box does some kind of secret manipulation of the audio to encode a unique identifying signal and timestamp
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Everything I need to know I learned in Quantitative Methods. I can't wait to hear from the state on "perfect data collection". lol
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Originally Posted by ScottFW
(Post 855097)
Reminds me of the coordination signal used by the aliens in Independence Day.
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