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hustler 07-01-2012 07:57 PM

You can no longer search for guns or ammo on google shopping
 
http://drudgegae.iavian.net/r?hop=ht...s-results.html

Type in something in and see for yourself. I'm less than thrilled with google right now.

blaen99 07-01-2012 08:02 PM

Have you been trolled, Hustler? I just googled for the first gun and ammo I thought of, no problems here. Thousands of results on google shopping here for 44 magnums, both guns and ammo.

olderguy 07-01-2012 08:06 PM

Google guns and ammo, no problem. Your link is dead.

Trey's been trolled

hustler 07-01-2012 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by blaen99 (Post 897874)
Have you been trolled, Hustler? I just googled for the first gun and ammo I thought of, no problems here. Thousands of results on google shopping here for 44 magnums, both guns and ammo.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1341187608

blaen99 07-01-2012 08:09 PM

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Uh, bro?

MD323 07-01-2012 08:11 PM

same here, no bueno

looks like google will soon be off my list of companies I support, that includes all my gmail accounts.

Weapons - Advertising Policies Help

hustler 07-01-2012 08:19 PM

So it looks like I'm switching to a Windows 8 phone the minute they come out. Goodbye google, we're through.

blaen99 07-01-2012 08:20 PM

No proxy or other server I can use is able to duplicate your claimed functionality, Hustler.

9mm ammo returns fine across half a dozen US states and another half dozen countries. I'd say perhaps it's state-specific laws related, but I have a proxy located in Florida that returns perfectly fine for me, and MD is also located there.

ssmith 07-01-2012 08:20 PM

Noooo :(

hustler 07-01-2012 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by blaen99 (Post 897885)
No proxy or other server I can use is able to duplicate your claimed functionality, Hustler.

9mm ammo returns fine across half a dozen US states and another half dozen countries. I'd say perhaps it's state-specific laws related, but I have a proxy located in Florida that returns perfectly fine for me, and MD is also located there.

It's on their policy page, dude.

http://support.google.com/adwordspol...&answer=176077

Ben 07-01-2012 08:35 PM

Doesn't work for me either.

Looks like I'm done with Android.

blaen99 07-01-2012 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 897889)
It's on their policy page, dude.

Weapons - Advertising Policies Help

Did you read their own policy page, dude? It's for AdWords, not shopping.

Either Google is slowly rolling out a ban on guns and ammo sales across the US (Plausible but hard to believe they'd implement something extremely piecemeal across a few very specific locations), or it's tied to specific ISPs/geolocations (Somewhat probable - I have a proxy located in FL that doesn't get the results MD claims to get, remember), or something is seriously borking (Most probable I'd say).

hustler 07-01-2012 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by Ben (Post 897895)
Doesn't work for me either.

Looks like I'm done with Android.

------- Hotmail..I don't know that I can bring myself to use it but I have to try.

hustler 07-01-2012 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by blaen99 (Post 897897)
Did you read their own policy page, dude? It's for AdWords, not shopping.

Either Google is slowly rolling out a ban on guns and ammo sales across the US (Plausible but hard to believe they'd implement something extremely piecemeal across a few very specific locations), or it's tied to specific ISPs/geolocations (Somewhat probable - I have a proxy located in FL that doesn't get the results MD claims to get, remember), or something is seriously borking (Most probable I'd say).

"AdWords" is Google Shopping now. "Piecemeal" implementation of socialism and protectionism is the MO of your party-o-commies.

blaen99 07-01-2012 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 897900)
"AdWords" is Google Shopping now. "Piecemeal" implementation of socialism and protectionism is the MO of your party-o-commies.

Then why in the world do I have no problem finding AK47s and ammunition on Google Shopping, Hustler?

Secondly, since you went there - how is a private business deciding what is best for them and engaging in that not free market practice?

If Google decides it is best for them to not allow people to sell guns on their site, well, isn't that the free market at work boo?

/Yes, I just went there.

hustler 07-01-2012 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by blaen99 (Post 897902)
Then why in the world do I have no problem finding AK47s and ammunition on Google Shopping, Hustler?

I suppose they don't have their keyword list ready.


Originally Posted by blaen99 (Post 897902)
Secondly, since you went there - how is a private business deciding what is best for them and engaging in that not free market practice?

If Google decides it is best for them to not allow people to sell guns on their site, well, isn't that the free market at work boo?

/Yes, I just went there.

Please show me a link to where I suggested a government entity force my will upon them. This is the beauty of the free market, I can take my keystrokes and money to Microsoft now. You are predisposed to ideas of government intervention.

MD323 07-01-2012 08:50 PM

and as a free market practice, instead of us whining about it we are taking our money and digital data (in which they make money) elsewhere. whats so wrong with that?

MD323 07-01-2012 08:53 PM

it was apparently put into effect today so the rest of you will probably see the results as it is rolled out acrossed google's infrastructure.

Google Shopping bans firearms, knives and ammunition from site listings - National Hunting & Fishing | Examiner.com

yes i know the source of the story isnt the greatest but they are the only ones covering it as of right now

blaen99 07-01-2012 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 897903)
Please show me a link to where I suggested a government entity force my will upon them. This is the beauty of the free market, I can take my keystrokes and money to Microsoft now. You are predisposed to ideas of government intervention.


...MO of your party-o-commies.
Say what, Hustly?

You pretty clearly tried to paint a free market issue (I.e. google is, for whatever reasons they may have, possibly removing a subset of search results on a commercial service), as an issue of "your party-o-commies" bro.

Apolitical, free market stance - "Let them, I'll take my money elsewhere."

Political, let's-try-to-turn-it-into-politics-stance - "MO of your party-o-commies"

If you don't like the decision of a business, that's fine. There's lots of businesses whose decisions I don't like - but I also don't try to paint them as the MO of the right-wing authoritarian conservatives, do I? There's no legislation or otherwise government intervention that I am aware of that led to this result, and frankly I am as baffled as you are if Google really goes through with this. Restricting their shopping results like this is truly baffling for a commercial service.

hustler 07-01-2012 09:04 PM


Originally Posted by blaen99 (Post 897908)
Say what, Hustly?

You pretty clearly tried to paint a free market issue (I.e. google is, for whatever reasons they may have, possibly removing a subset of search results on a commercial service), as an issue of "your party-o-commies" bro.

Everyone on planet Earth is aware that google is a private corporation, we didn't need you to remind us. We're also fully aware of the way free commerce works, and champion the concept. This is Miataturbo, we vote with our guns and wallet.

Joe Perez 07-01-2012 10:17 PM

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https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1341195471

Sorry for your bad luck, dude.

Joe Perez 07-01-2012 10:22 PM

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And on my android phone:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1341195732

rleete 07-01-2012 10:23 PM

Web search works, but click "shopping" and you get no results.

blaen99 07-01-2012 10:26 PM


Originally Posted by rleete (Post 897941)
Web search works, but click "shopping" and you get no results.

Rleete is correct, one server I have access to now gets this result.

Started googling, the uproar people are making over a business making a business action for business purposes and trying to turn it into a purely political mess is :facepalm:

Yeah, Google doesn't want to list guns on it's commercial service. So don't use them. It's not some crazy leftist plot, and they are not censoring their main search results either - just their commercial sites. Free market bros, free market - or is it only "free market" when it advances your political ideology?

hustler 07-01-2012 11:17 PM


Originally Posted by blaen99 (Post 897945)
Rleete is correct, one server I have access to now gets this result.

Started googling, the uproar people are making over a business making a business action for business purposes and trying to turn it into a purely political mess is :facepalm:

Yeah, Google doesn't want to list guns on it's commercial service. So don't use them. It's not some crazy leftist plot, and they are not censoring their main search results either - just their commercial sites. Free market bros, free market - or is it only "free market" when it advances your political ideology?

Is the action or reaction political? This is how the free market works. I'm heavily invested into Google, I'd like for them to agree with me so I can keep doing business with them. If not I'll have to get a new phone, new service provider, new email address, new cloud storage, and other ----. Where has any of this discussion infringed upon "free market ideas"?

y8s 08-03-2012 11:33 AM

Guess it's time to rally the activists and stand in line to search the web for chicken sandwiches and support google's right to deny your personal rights.

hustler 08-03-2012 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 911028)
Guess it's time to rally the activists and stand in line to search the web for chicken sandwiches and support google's right to deny your personal rights.

I got over it, bought another Android phone, bought stuff with Google Wallett, ate at Chick-fil-a, and gave a hange to a gay. I still think it sucks, but I was also a little more excited about WM8 at that time...which will fail.

blaen99 08-03-2012 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 911043)
I got over it, bought another Android phone, bought stuff with Google Wallett, ate at Chick-fil-a, and gave a hange to a gay. I still think it sucks, but I was also a little more excited about WM8 at that time...which will fail.

I'm with you, Hustly.

I want WM8 to succeed so bad, but so far it's looking like it's going to suck so hard that...I don't even have a word for it.

I really, really want MS to get W8 right, but it's not looking like it's possible, which is incredibly frustrating for me professionally.

hustler 08-03-2012 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by blaen99 (Post 911051)
I'm with you, Hustly.

I want WM8 to succeed so bad, but so far it's looking like it's going to suck so hard that...I don't even have a word for it.

I really, really want MS to get W8 right, but it's not looking like it's possible, which is incredibly frustrating for me professionally.

It won't happen.

blaen99 08-03-2012 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 911053)
It won't happen.

I agree, but it doesn't change me from wanting it to happen so bad.

Do you have any idea how cool compile-once-run-anywhere is for a developer? I mean, Tuner Studio on WP8 phones and you can just compile it from your development machine without having to do anything special? ---- yes!

TorqueZombie 08-03-2012 12:37 PM

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This is crappy. I liked Google overall. Since I'm not computer savvy what are the other options? It still works for me at the minute. I really need to go buy my long gun before I'm not allowed to do that either, other crap has been priority.

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triple88a 08-03-2012 12:39 PM

Works as well as our forum search function :facepalm:

Yesterday i was searching for a thread... no results found. I found the thread copied the name into the search bar.. no results found :facepalm:... okay.


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 897876)


blaen99 08-03-2012 12:39 PM

I can also search fine for guns and bullets on google shopping again as well...

Great catch TorqueZombie! Apparently, Google brought back guns and ammo onto their shopping site.

triple88a 08-03-2012 12:42 PM

So does this thing work if the gun doesnt have a trigger? :P


Google SHOPPING brah.


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 897939)
From 60 seconds ago:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1341195471

Sorry for your bad luck, dude.


TorqueZombie 08-03-2012 02:08 PM

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Has anyone else notice this. Note the highlighted
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hustler 08-03-2012 02:29 PM

What laws are in question here?

I should also probably not rule-out pressure from DC related to guns and ammo.

and on that note, off to the range.

Jaybee94 08-11-2012 01:14 AM

Man I tried searching and shopping and it wouldn't work. Sigh what's happening in this world

blaen99 08-11-2012 03:56 AM

9mm ammo searched under Google Shopping returns results for me in the following states...

Washington, California (Two places, no less!), Oregon, New York, and New Jersey.

The states I get no results are...

Texas, Colorado, Wisconsin


Dollars to donuts I know why this is, and dollars to donuts the more astute members of the forum will figure out really quickly why Google states legal issues and does not list guns and ammo in those states. Note that I don't claim this is an exhaustive list, or that people may get different results. But I think I see what's going on, beyond "OMGCONSPIRACYTHEORIES!"

hustler 08-11-2012 09:20 AM

I think Google is trying to stay out of court, regardless of right/wrong.


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