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crash12190 07-20-2018 12:52 PM

1.6 External wastegate turbo manifold options
 
Hi guys, been looking for an external gate manifold for my 1.6, T3 flange is prefered. Havent been able to find anything of substance.

MetalMuffins 07-20-2018 01:07 PM

I assume that is because anyone who needs an external WG isn't going to use a 1.6. The first step to putting an external wastegate on your 1.6 is installing a 1.8 :bigtu:

crash12190 07-20-2018 01:08 PM

Anyone with anything of substance?

brainzata 07-20-2018 01:17 PM

You should realize, you can find it if it is out there, by google searching. There is no reason to make a thread asking a question like this...

crash12190 07-20-2018 01:21 PM

Well, by google searching, i have returned nothing, I made a thread here to see if anyone who has encountered similar issues has found a solution.

huesmann 07-20-2018 02:26 PM

Why do you want an external wastegate?

crash12190 07-20-2018 02:56 PM

To run a bigger turbo, With a t3 flange most turbos that are ball bearing are only external wastegate, Id like to run a bigger precision, but will require a different manifold or cutting up my cast log manifold and welding it in.

MetalMuffins 07-20-2018 03:03 PM

Honestly, I think cutting / modifying the existing one will be your only option other then having one made. If that's the route you want to go, check out here: https://www.miataturbo.net/fabulous-...-thread-72795/

crash12190 07-20-2018 03:06 PM

sweet, wasn't trying to be a dick guys, just really bummed with options for the little 1.6

huesmann 07-20-2018 04:09 PM

Is there really any point to running a big turbo on a 1.6?

crash12190 07-20-2018 04:27 PM

sure, the head design isnt anywhere near as good as later 1.8 engines, but others (mr.mattman and greg from car passion channel) have made big power on them. Matt's car is stock head with a built bottom end, making over 500whp.

SpartanSV 07-20-2018 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by crash12190 (Post 1492397)
sure, the head design isnt anywhere near as good as later 1.8 engines, but others (mr.mattman and greg from car passion channel) have made big power on them. Matt's car is stock head with a built bottom end, making over 500whp.

Didn't greg do ~300whp on a 2554? Not a big turbo and not exactly big power. I still don't see why you think you need EWG. What is your whp goal?

crash12190 07-20-2018 05:42 PM

Id like to be around 400, but if i had to go the t25 route i would, just not what id love to do

SpartanSV 07-20-2018 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by crash12190 (Post 1492408)
Id like to be around 400, but if i had to go the t25 route i would, just not what id love to do

Plenty of IWG turbos are capable of 400whp.

ryansmoneypit 07-20-2018 06:04 PM

An efr for one, is a t25 and will make 400

SpartanSV 07-20-2018 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by ryansmoneypit (Post 1492414)
An efr for one, is a t25 and will make 400

Yep, 6758 would be my first pick.

crash12190 07-21-2018 10:45 AM

awesome guys, thanks for the help

ryansmoneypit 07-21-2018 01:52 PM

I think the 6258 would be better for the 1.6 IMO

SpartanSV 07-21-2018 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by ryansmoneypit (Post 1492526)
I think the 6258 would be better for the 1.6 IMO

He won't make 400whp on a 6258.

18psi 07-21-2018 02:25 PM

Excuse me, but are these dumb clueless questions and statements seriously being asked/stated by a CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL TUNER WHO TUNED 30+ Miata’s in his area?!

:laugh: from your very first post you were a clueless mattman/broke n boosted fanboi. Should’ve at least done enough research to not be so blatant and at least appear like you know what you’re doing

What’s funnier is that just about every single noob who claimed to know something ended up being more clueless than your average high school sanceboi

concealer404 07-21-2018 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by crash12190 (Post 1492397)
sure, the head design isnt anywhere near as good as later 1.8 engines, but others (mr.mattman and greg from car passion channel) have made big power on them. Matt's car is stock head with a built bottom end, making over 500whp.

Lol.

Just lol.

Maybe with a side of "sit on his face."

But mostly just lol.

SpartanSV 07-21-2018 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1492530)
Excuse me, but are these dumb clueless questions and statements seriously being asked/stated by a CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL TUNER WHO TUNED 30+ Miata’s in his area?!

:laugh: from your very first post you were a clueless mattman/broke n boosted fanboi. Should’ve at least done enough research to not be so blatant and at least appear like you know what you’re doing

What’s funnier is that just about every single noob who claimed to know something ended up being more clueless than your average high school sanceboi

Holy shit I didn't realize it was the guy from that thread. I fear for the health of those miatas.

crash12190 07-21-2018 02:42 PM

You know you dont need to be such an a**
I have researched options. I wanted to stay with a t3 turbocharger and get a ball bearing turbo. I am up hauled at how rude some of you can be. I am a fan of such projects, we all should be. They show you can do alot with a little. Also funny you decided to track this post down just to be a dick.
Thanks have a wonderful day.

concealer404 07-21-2018 02:49 PM

Stop up hauling OP you guys.

18psi 07-21-2018 03:39 PM

:laugh:
Please forgive me for having a decent memory? And please forgive me for pressing the “new posts” button?

crash12190 07-21-2018 03:43 PM

Well, just asked a simple question, in regards to my tuning, had zero issues with any of my clients, no blown up cars, no knocking, no issues. Thank you all for your daily dose of flaming to keep me on my toes!

18psi 07-21-2018 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by crash12190 (Post 1492539)
Well, just asked a simple question, in regards to my tuning, had zero issues with any of my clients, no blown up cars, no knocking, no issues. Thank you all for your daily dose of flaming to keep me on my toes!

You're gonna learn with time why this forum has a good signal/noise ratio.

You can tell the FB swagboiiz you've tuned over 9,000 cars, but when you're in here asking the simplest, most n00bish questions, stating the most ignorant things in a long time, and demonstrating the fact that the extent of your knowledge ends with some n00b's youtube channel made for even bigger n00bs, you best believe we're gonna call you out on it.

This just in: the 1.6 is horrendous for making big power. Mattman's trap speed at the track indicate's he's not even making over 400, much less 500, and craig/greg/kreghh/whatever of broke-n-boosted didn't make 300 either.

oh and this just in: ball bearing turbo's are not all T3 flanged. I know, shocker. More at 5PM cupcake ;)


Originally Posted by crash12190 (Post 1492534)
You know you dont need to be such an a**
I have researched options. I wanted to stay with a t3 turbocharger and get a ball bearing turbo. I am up hauled at how rude some of you can be. I am a fan of such projects, we all should be. They show you can do alot with a little. Also funny you decided to track this post down just to be a dick.
Thanks have a wonderful day .

I didn't choose the Lyfe. the Lyfe chose me :eggplant:

crash12190 07-21-2018 04:31 PM

Well matt's dyno sheets show different. I know broke and boosted didnt make close to 300, I wouldnt expect it to, I wanted a t3 flanged turbo to not have to buy a whole new manifold, but if thats what needs to happen to make the power I want then so be it. Being demeaning is no way to share knowledge. moderator or not. YES the 1.6 doesn't enjoy making big power. However it can be done and I intend to do so. I will post dyno graphs when I get the manifold situation sorted out to hush you 1.8 boyz up ;) happy boosting
-Yianni

SpartanSV 07-21-2018 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by crash12190 (Post 1492542)
Well matt's dyno sheets show different. I know broke and boosted didnt make close to 300, I wouldnt expect it to, I wanted a t3 flanged turbo to not have to buy a whole new manifold, but if thats what needs to happen to make the power I want then so be it. Being demeaning is no way to share knowledge. moderator or not. YES the 1.6 doesn't enjoy making big power. However it can be done and I intend to do so. I will post dyno graphs when I get the manifold situation sorted out to hush you 1.8 boyz up ;) happy boosting
-Yianni

Didn't you literally make this thread so you could get info on buying a new manifold? I'm lost.

Dyno sheets mean diddly if you have something to prove. You'll need time slips.

Edit: I get it now. Once you realized you didn't need EWG you wanted to use the manifold you have now. Good luck man. You're really gonna need it.

ryansmoneypit 07-21-2018 05:15 PM

Save yourself some cash, a lot. Pm me. Let's make a deal on my engine/turbo. I want an NA k

18psi 07-21-2018 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by crash12190 (Post 1492542)
Well matt's dyno sheets show different. I know broke and boosted didnt make close to 300, I wouldnt expect it to, I wanted a t3 flanged turbo to not have to buy a whole new manifold, but if thats what needs to happen to make the power I want then so be it. Being demeaning is no way to share knowledge. moderator or not. YES the 1.6 doesn't enjoy making big power. However it can be done and I intend to do so. I will post dyno graphs when I get the manifold situation sorted out to hush you 1.8 boyz up ;) happy boosting
-Yianni

By all means, tell me how to be a mod, that always goes well. Tell US how we can make YOUR stay here better, we're her to cater to your needs :laugh:

No one has so far hushed the 1.8 boys up. Dozens have tried, and failed miserably, everyone's on the verge of awesomeness, and....just.....doesn't.....quite....get there. Mattman with a gajillion dollars in his engine bay made a fake 500 running diesel levels of boost, and still trapped less than what an honest 400whp 1.8 does. This is common knowledge here had you dome some homework.

I'm bowing out now cause this is getting boring, carry on cupcake

concealer404 07-23-2018 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by crash12190 (Post 1492542)
Well matt's dyno sheets show different. I know broke and boosted didnt make close to 300, I wouldnt expect it to, I wanted a t3 flanged turbo to not have to buy a whole new manifold, but if thats what needs to happen to make the power I want then so be it. Being demeaning is no way to share knowledge. moderator or not. YES the 1.6 doesn't enjoy making big power. However it can be done and I intend to do so. I will post dyno graphs when I get the manifold situation sorted out to hush you 1.8 boyz up ;) happy boosting
-Yianni

Can you race a dyno chart?

Just wondering, because Matt's car is one of the slower 400hp Miatas i've seen. Oh, did i say 400hp? Because i meant 400hp.

Is your car done yet? Or are there more questions you want to ask for the sake of arguing with the answers?

1RMDave 07-27-2018 11:33 AM

I'm a cheap ass so I just drilled a hole in my greddy manifold and welded a Tial vband flange on. Now I've got a gt2554r with a VTA tial wastegaste, car sounds totally tame till the WG opens.

shlammed 08-09-2018 03:39 PM

I wish I was a vendor.

marceline_yata 09-05-2021 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by crash12190 (Post 1492354)
Hi guys, been looking for an external gate manifold for my 1.6, T3 flange is prefered. Havent been able to find anything of substance.

I found one at sasautocustoms.co.uk mildly expensive but if you’re wanting high boost and a well built engine money shouldn’t be a concern.


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