1.6L 2560r record attempt
10-16-2013, 01:02 PM
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There is an active thread started by wannafbody about this very issue. I drew a parallel assuming you were actively reading current threads. Apparently you were not.
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11-02-2013, 11:54 PM
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Its at the track again today, I was told it ran within a few tenths from the MX5 club lap record at Wakefield earlier.
Just as a data point, the below setup (different car, identical setup) made 170rwkw at 15psi, on a 1.6L, with RX8 injectors, MSPnP2, and a 2" exhaust. The downpipe on that car is the same, 3" for as far as possible, bullet cat and smooth neck down to 2"
Same turbo location on the log and everything.
The actual car. I built everything you can see, stainless coldside reroute, intercooler setup, valve cover mods and catch can etc.
One of the first dyno pulls, with a boost control failure. 14psi here by memory. I didn;t tune this, not my dyno, not even my city.
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Just as a data point, the below setup (different car, identical setup) made 170rwkw at 15psi, on a 1.6L, with RX8 injectors, MSPnP2, and a 2" exhaust. The downpipe on that car is the same, 3" for as far as possible, bullet cat and smooth neck down to 2"
Same turbo location on the log and everything.
The actual car. I built everything you can see, stainless coldside reroute, intercooler setup, valve cover mods and catch can etc.
One of the first dyno pulls, with a boost control failure. 14psi here by memory. I didn;t tune this, not my dyno, not even my city.
Dann
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11-03-2013, 05:50 AM
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OK, I'm a little bit confused by your breather setup, for a couple reasons:
First off, did you add that brass fitting with the additional hose over to the breather box, and if so, why? There's already a hose running from the factory barb next to the oil fill cap, so an additional one seems unnecessary, no?
But more puzzling than that is your retention of the PCV, given that the other side of the crankcase it's connected to is effectively vented to atmosphere through the cam cover to breather box line(s). Why not route the PCV hose (either keep the PCV or toss it and make a fitting to fit the PCV grommet) over to the breather box?
As configured you basically have a 3/8" hole on your manifold connected to your breather box. Under boost you're likely bleeding pressure off and pressurizing the crankcase because PCV's are notoriously leaky (lol; maybe that;s why you need a catch can?), and under vacuum you're still pulling filthy oil vapors back into the manifold. It's actually worse than the factory setup.
I see this variations of this all the time, usually the Filler Nipple to intake hose is replaced by a little cone type breather filter instead of a spiffy breather box, but the result is the same. It's more of a problem on stock ECU cars where it basically allows the motor to ingest unmetered air, where a MAF based system doesn't care where the air comes from (just that it's present in the manifold), but you still have the problems of boost and vacuum "leakage" out via the path through the PCV to the atmosphere (breather box), not to mention the downside of still mucking up up the manifold with oil vapors.
Personally, I'd cap off the PCV to Intake hose, and run the PCV over to your breather box, or sticking a little cone filter on the PCV would work too. But as configured it makes no sense to me.
What am I missing?
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11-03-2013, 06:32 AM
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The pvc side is blocked. There is no flow either direction. if you look very carefully you can see the split, inside that is a glued in solid rod.
So there needs to be more flow out of the crankcase than just the single OEM hotside hose, so I added a second one to that side, it leads to the baffle on the inside.
The hotside never ever pukes oil on anyones car, the coldside does.
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So there needs to be more flow out of the crankcase than just the single OEM hotside hose, so I added a second one to that side, it leads to the baffle on the inside.
The hotside never ever pukes oil on anyones car, the coldside does.
Fair?
Dann
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11-03-2013, 09:05 AM
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The pvc side is blocked. There is no flow either direction. if you look very carefully you can see the split, inside that is a glued in solid rod.
So there needs to be more flow out of the crankcase than just the single OEM hotside hose, so I added a second one to that side, it leads to the baffle on the inside.
The hotside never ever pukes oil on anyones car, the coldside does.
Fair?
Dann
So there needs to be more flow out of the crankcase than just the single OEM hotside hose, so I added a second one to that side, it leads to the baffle on the inside.
The hotside never ever pukes oil on anyones car, the coldside does.
Fair?
Dann
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11-03-2013, 07:42 PM
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Because everything costs money, and this is something that can upgraded at any time, its not like we pulled the head off and left stock rods in there, when he has further funds he can put a 3" on it whenever he wants.
Are you not surprised it made this power on a 2" press bent catback? It even has the OEM flange for the rear of the cat and the next foot or so is OEM.
Well, I learned something anyway.
What is with this site and getting all catty every time someone doesnt build an MS2, 1.8L with ebay rods, a 2560, and a full 3" exhaust on rx8 injectors. I mean, sure thats an excellent combo, but ****, some people should just untie their panties and take some posts for what they are..
It's a forum wide issue. It genuinely does slow progress and knowledge within the community, what does anyone learn reading about yet another cloned setup..
Dann
Are you not surprised it made this power on a 2" press bent catback? It even has the OEM flange for the rear of the cat and the next foot or so is OEM.
Well, I learned something anyway.
What is with this site and getting all catty every time someone doesnt build an MS2, 1.8L with ebay rods, a 2560, and a full 3" exhaust on rx8 injectors. I mean, sure thats an excellent combo, but ****, some people should just untie their panties and take some posts for what they are..
It's a forum wide issue. It genuinely does slow progress and knowledge within the community, what does anyone learn reading about yet another cloned setup..
Dann
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