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ridethecliche 01-21-2018 02:23 PM

2871 vs 3071
 
All else equal, what would you expect the spool difference to be between a setup with a 2871 with an A/R of .58 vs a 3071 with an A/R of .50.

I realize that this is a pretty basic question, but I've searched through a ton of build threads and looked at a bunch of dynos and the most info I've seen is that most folks consider the 3071 a bit too big, but that was with a higher A/R. I've seen a lot of folks have good luck with the 2871 and I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel. Miataman has a 3076 and is pretty happy with it, though that spools way slower than both the 2871 and 3071 from what I've seen.

That is all. Thanks in advance.

(In b4 dumb question :party: )

thirdgen 01-21-2018 02:43 PM

Well...what does "A/R" mean? What do the numbers mean?
Tell me now...

Savington 01-21-2018 02:58 PM

Buy an EFR.

sshamrockk 01-21-2018 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1462779)
Buy an EFR.

+1

psyber_0ptix 01-21-2018 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by ridethecliche (Post 1462774)
All else equal, what would you expect the spool difference to be between a setup with a 2871 with an A/R of .58 vs a 3071 with an A/R of .50.

I realize that this is a pretty basic question, but I've searched through a ton of build threads and looked at a bunch of dynos and the most info I've seen is that most folks consider the 3071 a bit too big, but that was with a higher A/R. I've seen a lot of folks have good luck with the 2871 and I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel. Miataman has a 3076 and is pretty happy with it, though that spools way slower than both the 2871 and 3071 from what I've seen.

That is all. Thanks in advance.

(In b4 dumb question :party: )

You should twin scroll 7163 and report back

patsmx5 01-21-2018 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by psyber_0ptix (Post 1462788)
You should twin scroll 7163 and report back

I wish I had built my own manifold and went twin scroll EFR. That's probably going to be my next power upgrade.

18psi 01-21-2018 04:25 PM

You keep asking for validation and everyone is tired

patsmx5 01-21-2018 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by ridethecliche (Post 1462774)
All else equal, what would you expect the spool difference to be between a setup with a 2871 with an A/R of .58 vs a 3071 with an A/R of .50.

I realize that this is a pretty basic question, but I've searched through a ton of build threads and looked at a bunch of dynos and the most info I've seen is that most folks consider the 3071 a bit too big, but that was with a higher A/R. I've seen a lot of folks have good luck with the 2871 and I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel. Miataman has a 3076 and is pretty happy with it, though that spools way slower than both the 2871 and 3071 from what I've seen.

That is all. Thanks in advance.

(In b4 dumb question :party: )

A few hundred RPMs, probably 500-700 is my guess. I assume you are talking garrett turbos.

ridethecliche 01-21-2018 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by patsmx5 (Post 1462796)
A few hundred RPMs, probably 500-700 is my guess. I assume you are talking garrett turbos.

Yup. That I am. Thanks. That just about made my decision for me. I didn't realize it would be that drastic given the lower A/R. I figured it'd spool a bit faster.

Thanks Pat!

Goingnowherefast 01-21-2018 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1462779)
Buy an EFR.

+2

Seriously OP if you're gonna go with an EFR sized turbo, why don't you get an EFR? They are nearly the same price as the garretts for a vastly superior product

vteckiller2000 01-21-2018 10:07 PM

The hell are you finding dumbass a/r housings like that for those turbos? The smallest generally accepted housings for those is .64. Source: I own(ed) both.

18psi 01-21-2018 10:48 PM

Cheap

Savington 01-21-2018 10:54 PM

eBay? Neither of those turbos will get anywhere near their power potential with those A/Rs, so it doesn't really matter. They will both spool like ass and make crappy power to boot.

If you really don't want an EFR then buy a 2863 or a 2867 with a proper T25 housing, or buy an EFR and enjoy the same power with much better spool.

thirdgen 01-22-2018 05:06 AM


Originally Posted by vteckiller2000 (Post 1462859)
The hell are you finding dumbass a/r housings like that for those turbos? The smallest generally accepted housings for those is .64. Source: I own(ed) both.

This is exactly what I was thinking and why I asked my question. I only remember A/R's in .64 and .86 for these turbos. Plus, what's a brand new 3071 cost? $900 or more? OP ain't spending that...

sixshooter 01-22-2018 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by thirdgen (Post 1462901)
This is exactly what I was thinking and why I asked my question. I only remember A/R's in .64 and .86 for these turbos. Plus, what's a brand new 3071 cost? $900 or more? OP ain't spending that...

We're all apparently wondering how he's coming up with oddball ideas and wondering why he's going through the mental gymnastics to try to justify taking an alternative path.

ridethecliche 01-22-2018 08:14 AM

It's totally possible that the number for the 3071 is wrong or that it's just the compressor housing A/R, but that's what I was told. Because I am finding some with that when I search.

For the 2871, I was going off the part number and A/R that the seller was reporting.
QIM77319 446179-50329 is the part number.
It led to this CHRA
https://www.atpturbo.com/mm5/merchan...e=CHRA-GT2871R

I'm guessing he might have reported that wrong as well haha. No matter...

Braineack 01-22-2018 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by ridethecliche (Post 1462774)
All else equal, what would you expect the spool difference to be between a setup with a 2871 with an A/R of .58 vs a 3071 with an A/R of .50.

why are you asking about the compressor A/R on two vastly different turbos and the effects of spool that might have between the two?!?!?!


go back to school and stop playing with turbos.

ridethecliche 01-22-2018 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1462918)
why are you asking about the compressor A/R on two vastly different turbos and the effects of spool that might have between the two?!?!?!


go back to school and stop playing with turbos.

Wasn't asking about the compressor A/R per se.... I asked for the A/R, but looking at specs online... it looks like that was what was reported to me. /shrug.

But turbo's are fun Scott!

18psi 01-22-2018 10:15 AM

Is pawning off all responsibility for lack of knowledge and general silliness onto misinformation and other people a millennial thing? kekeke


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1462918)

go back to school and stop playing with turbos.

eleventy billion times +1

(is there such a number? no worries, I'll just say it was reported to me wrong)

concealer404 01-22-2018 10:17 AM

Just do everything Pat did. Start at the beginning of his build thread and work your way forward.


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