concealer404

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And a 6spd, and a 1.8 rear end.

Braineack

iTrader: (62)

I put a car on cc once. True story.

aidandj

iTrader: (5)

<p></p><p>Or mechanical empathy <img alt="" src="https://www.miataturbo.net/images/smilies/smile.gif" title="" /></p><p></p><p>They know my household income.</p>

Pepino

my fault, was talking about 300hp at motor not at wheels, and budget is always an issue :/

actually 6sp and 1.8 rear end are on, also oil cooler, reroute and alu rad...

bottom will be forged 1.6 with 8.4 pistons...

sixshooter

iTrader: (12)

You can fill a 1.6 with bottles of mechanical empathy, two of the big ones, and it will still pop.

And who measures crank hp on this forum? You got an engine dyno in your *** or something? Measurable hp comes from the wheels on a street car. OEMs and race car shops may have engine dynos but we don't.

Pepino

Pepino

Corrected engine power DIN

concealer404

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Why would you do that? It's not real. I don't understand the concept of taking measured real power and converting it to fairy-land numbers that don't mean anything.

concealer404

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No amount of mechanical empathy will let a 1.6 rear end last behind 300hp.

Braineack

iTrader: (62)

have you measured your drivetrain losses?

concealer404

iTrader: (3)

More importantly, have you measured it at every possible power number?

18psi

iTrader: (76)

have you measured front wheel drivetrain loss?

Pepino

yes, about 15%


nope, only top hp


Anyway maybe i would have to ask something different like: 250/260 Whp target

Pepino

sure, but only on stright, now i must see on corners, uphills and so on...

18psi

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what about driver train loss?
or maybe actually post up a proper question for discussion, with like, you know, details?

but that's only if you're actually trying to have a valid discussion

Braineack

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Have you raced a CLS63?

Braineack

iTrader: (62)

so when your 100hp motor is stock, you're only making 85hp to the wheels (15hp loss), but once your build it and make 300 crank power, you're only going to be at 255 at the wheels (45hp loss)?

that sucks.

Braineack

iTrader: (62)

Have you measured your IQ?

18psi

iTrader: (76)

Funny story - I had this convo on nabisco, and we arrived at the conclusion that the real number is somewhere in between. It does vary though, not directly proportional, which I can actually accept.

concealer404

iTrader: (3)

Correct, it's not a static loss. The more power you make, the higher the percentage.

I remember arguing about this with Corky a time or two on here.