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7 psi setup
What kind of HP or performance can i exspect from this setup..
90 7psi, small intercooler, water injection, 12:1 fmu, stock injectors, i have 1.8's i could use if needed, stock fuel pump, and 10deg timing. What do you guys think, will this even be an improvement from a NA 1.6? |
use the 1.8s and get a 7:1 or 8:1 vortech disk. should be around 160-180rwhp, especially with WI you won't need as much fuel. and FP could use an upgrade to a 190HP, you're pushing it with the stock one.
i could spare either or for a few beans. |
Any idea on what my low end performance will be, like from 2-3k? with the 10 degree timing?
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Somewhere in here is a collection of everyone's spool rpms. With a large enough exhaust, you will spool in the 2s. I haven't driven my car in so long I forgot, but my GT28 was spooling in the later 2Ks.
And yes, you should notice an improvement. Like going from a Lancer ES to an EVO. Something like that. |
sweet... im hoping my quick spooling 13g will get me up to boost fast enuff that my low end is ok
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Your low-end torque is certainly not going to suffer at all. Your car will have basically the same power it had before when out of boost, and extra power when in boost.
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sweeet
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bripab007 what timing do you run?
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I have better bottom end now that I have the turbo (out of boost). I don't know if it was the difference in exhaust, but the dyno showed making power earlier out of boost.
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the only reason im worried about the low end is because i will have to pull the timing back to keep the engine from knocking while under boost..
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You mentioned setting the timing to 10deg. That is the stock setting.
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oh, well im sure that wont work, i was thinking the stock setting was 14, what about timing at 6?
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6* is what most people run, but if you get a bipes you can get a lot of response back. I have mine set at 14* base, pulling to 6*.
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i plan on gettting a bipes some time down the road... was just wondering what i can exspect from what i have now tho
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but you have WI......
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i guess i need to read up more on the advantages of WI, im just afraid that im going to have to run my timing so low to keep it from knocking that my car is gonna run like crap untill it gets up to full boost, that would be crappy for daily driving
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well get it installed, and run it at a point where it wont knock. and deal with it. then get a bipes and smile.
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yeah, i guess thats about all i can do..
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I am only pulling 2 degrees with my base timing set at 12 degrees. That is to give you an idea of how well WI works. I am still trying to get the timing totally set, but I think that I can even up the timing a little more. At 7psi, you might have to run 9degrees, maybe even 8. Just throwing in my 2 cents. And by the way, I am only at 5.5psig, and the car is totally transformed. I am getting my wideband here very shortly so I can get the fueling sorted out also to get the most out of this low boost until I figure out what size injectors I want to run. Add a little bit of meth to the mixture and it really livens up the car when in boost. Try setting the Wi to kick on at 3-4psig, that seems to be where the best results are acheived at these lower boost levels. Just my .02 about the WI.
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I am only pulling 2 degrees with my base timing set at 12 degrees. That is to give you an idea of how well WI works. I am still trying to get the timing totally set, but I think that I can even up the timing a little more. At 7psi, you might have to run 9degrees, maybe even 8. Just throwing in my 2 cents. And by the way, I am only at 5.5psig, and the car is totally transformed. I am getting my wideband here very shortly so I can get the fueling sorted out also to get the most out of this low boost until I figure out what size injectors I want to run. Add a little bit of meth to the mixture and it really livens up the car when in boost. Try setting the Wi to kick on at 3-4psig, that seems to be where the best results are acheived at these lower boost levels. Just my .02 about the WI. are you running a intercooler? you think with the WI, i can get away with not running one? and as far as the wide band goes, i doubt i will be getting one of those, i have the stock O2 with a home made mixture meter. |
You will be fine at that lower boost level without the IC. My intake temps right now are lower than the ambient temp. This is coming from humid hot weather out here on the island too. When tuning it, just start out at 6 degrees and ramp it from there a degree at a time. Today I am going to mess with the upper rpm's and see if I can add a degree back in to the mix.
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I had my car set to 6 for a while, drivability was awfull. I put in the emanage and set it to advance the timing 4 degrees at less than 1psi, then gradually pull up to 6 degrees at 8psi. I set the base timing back to stock. This is with no IC or H20 and no dyno, so I am being a little cautious. Anyway, the difference was like night and day after that.
With an IC and H20 you may not have to pull very much timing at all. |
With my emanage, I am pulling only 2 degrees of timing right now. My base timing is set at 12 degrees, so in essence, I am at the stock timing when in boost. Just the food for thought, just start low and go from there, I think you will be surprised how much timing you can run with the WI
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WI is great and stuff, but it is still a mechanical system. What happens when it craps out under boost? Hello rebuild.
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With WI and an IC you can get away with stock timing. With JUST WI or IC but not both I would retard about 4* @ 8-10psi and 2* for 5-7psi. Thats just me, you gain a small amount of power from increased timing but is it worth blowing a motor over?
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thanx guys.. i think i will put it all together drop the timing to 6* and just play it as i go from there. just keep my ear open for knock
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Start with it retarded and slowly feed it back in. I would imagine that with just the WI you will have no trouble running 10 degrees.
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how about the fact that my WI is only controlled by a on off psi switch?? i was catchin some slach in flash chat today about that. They are tellin me it will not work well at all without a progressive controller of some kind... Any imput?
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Get a pressure switch and a relay, that will ensure that it switches on when it is supposed to, an on off switch is going to be real difficult to switch on when you are getting ready to go into boost. I have leds for when the pump receives power and also a pressure gage mounted in the cab, that is about all that I can do for the reliability, but I am using a high mileage motor, so I am expecting the motor to go soon. When I get the money and the time, I will run an intercooler also.
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Will it work well without the controller...yeah. Are your results going to be a lot more impressive if you have more control....yeah. Just look at the logs for the S4. He pretty much doubled his results by having more control over the system. I did a basic kit on my buddies SRT 4 and he is able to make 400 whp on pump gas. The ecu allows 30 degrees advance at 20 psi. Intake temps stay at ambient under boost. Prior to the Devils Own kit the ecu allowed 22-24 degrees.
Here are the S4 results. New updated results from the S4. What a huge difference tuning the controller makes. Blue is the latest results after more tuning. Dark Purple is with a little tuning Pink is the from the earlier posted logs. 0 tuning. Red is no water injection http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...ingOverall.gif Attachment 217195 Attachment 217196 |
i have a pressure switch and a relay.. Just not a progressive controller like on the devils own kit, i guess i can always add that later
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signifigant extra g's pulled between 45-70mph. were you putting in more boost as well (compared to red) and keeping the temps that low? that's insane.
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i wish i had the data logging equipment you have
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I am just using the basic kit right now, I like it for now, and when I get the money and some other supporting mods that I want first, I will get the controller from WideOpenTuning. You will be fine with the pressure switch and the relay, just take your time getting the thing tuned properly, and you'll be good. Then decide if you want a progressive controller, and if you do, add it. Just decide and go for it man. Good luck.
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3rd Gear and 22 psi of boost on all runs. He dropped damn near .25 seconds it the time it takes to accelerate through the top of 3rd gear alone. For under $300 thats a hell of a mod.
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