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y8s 05-28-2007 09:49 AM

airflow in the NB
 
driving to north carolina with the AC on in hot weather .... the faster I go, the hotter she gets. cruising at 55-65 the temps are right around 210F. every 10 mph over means 10degF higher coolant temp.

Ambient was 87F...

note I haven't done anything about cold air intake or MUCH with airflow... I've got work to do there but I'm curious why faster = hotter.

I mean aside from the engine making more power to go faster... it's not like I was in boost or even approaching it. it was like... 15 inHg vac.

Strider 05-28-2007 10:19 AM

that is strange..... Everything I know would tell me that the faster you go the better the airflow.... Do you have a lower engine sheild on???

Atlanta93LE 05-28-2007 10:19 AM

Same thing was happening tomy NA last summer with no turbo. Adding back in the undertray and front shroud thing helped a lot, as did removing the stupid grill that the previous owner had put on. I mentioned this to a colleague of mine in wind engineering, and he said that, in relation to wind on buildings, a screen acts more and more like a solid wall at faster wind speeds. So, in regards to a radiator, the same would hold true. The higher the speed, the more critical it is that air has no other way to go, other than through the radiator.

nester 05-28-2007 10:35 AM

I have the same problem. I also have sky high IAT's, because my filter is right above the radiator fan, like a old school fm kit..

I put the under tray back on, and that helped some, put a much lighter mix of anti-freeze in.. with water wetter, and a 160* t-stat.. we'll see how that does..

I still have no A/C, relay will be here this week so i can make that go.

jayc72 05-28-2007 10:41 AM

Hi cruising EGT?

magnamx-5 05-28-2007 10:42 AM

this is why FMIC's are evil :bigtu:

nester 05-28-2007 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by magnamx-5 (Post 118059)
this is why FMIC's are evil :bigtu:

blah blah blah.

y8s 05-28-2007 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by jayc72 (Post 118058)
Hi cruising EGT?

12-1300 F max. runs well.

It's probably the gaps around the IC at high speed passing all the air. I tried to foam it in so air couldn't go around but I checked later and the foam was missing... air wanted by bad.

I have a makeshift undertray but it doesn't enclose the sides like the stock one. That's probably an issue too.

Ducting it is.

Braineack 05-28-2007 11:25 AM

yay for fun projects....

nester 06-04-2007 09:43 PM

Have you made any progress on this, y8s?

My f'in temp gauge started creeping up up up today.. running the heat got it back down to normal, but it's annoying for sure.

Edit: damn, you even have the Koyo.. I'm still stock.

y8s 06-05-2007 10:15 AM

I've sorta made progress...

I ordered a 90° 4" tube and connector to mount the filter more behind the headlight.

I picked up some 3" shiny silver dryer hose. Gonna try to route this to a high pressure spot in a fender or something to get fresh air to the hole behind the headlight.

I picked up some rolls of PSA backed insulating foam weatherstripping. This will be sealing holes around the IC/AC/radiator.

I have not done anything with any of that... and I need to get some better sheet materials to make shrouds with. The stuff I got is flimsy and comes in roll form--oops. Next round will be thicker to get some rigidity. I may also form up a sweet filter box.

IDEALLY I will have a bunch of dividers/diverters that point the air only through some cooling device and not around any of them.

nester 06-05-2007 10:24 AM

I need to get some real thin gauge stainless or aluminum and cut some shields.. I have a CNC cutting table, but no sheet metal brake (break?) to bend the stuff.. I could make some kick ass air diversion panels with a brake.

y8s 06-05-2007 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by nester (Post 120503)
I need to get some real thin gauge stainless or aluminum and cut some shields.. I have a CNC cutting table, but no sheet metal brake (break?) to bend the stuff.. I could make some kick ass air diversion panels with a brake.

I have a vise brake... :)

http://www.amazon.com/Grizzly-H3243-.../dp/B0000DD4UU

But if you use thin AL and it's pretty big, just bend it over the side of your work bench...

nester 06-05-2007 10:40 AM

that's pretty neat.

We actually refer to our vise as the Amish Brake. We actually renamed the fabrication area from "Amish" to Mennonite, because we remembered that we have electric. :)

m2cupcar 06-05-2007 11:21 AM

1 Attachment(s)
This stuff is made for fab'ing shrouds/spoilers etc.
I've used it on numerous race cars, and on my street Miata.

y8s 06-05-2007 01:23 PM

ooh sweeet. what's it come like? roll or flat? does it curl up when flat?

m2cupcar 06-05-2007 01:41 PM

it'll have a curl to it (manufactured as a roll) - but lay it out in the sun and it'll flatten right out

y8s 06-05-2007 02:25 PM

that sounds pretty close to what I have actually.

by the way... 5.15 a foot or <$50 for 25 feet? wtf.

Braineack 06-05-2007 02:34 PM

found my front lip splitter material....

http://www.bsrproducts.com/product_i...roducts_id=518

nester 06-08-2007 11:10 PM

I bought a Koyo today.. be here next week.


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