Bad Garrett out of the box??? with pics
09-13-2010, 08:21 PM
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One time I was given free reign of a bagel store I worked in. I was in charge of everything. Everyone was gone for the day. I made a hero out of bagel dough. Whole wheat dough, everything bagel toppings. I made the bread into garlic bread, with REAL garlic and REAL onions that I sauteed up in fresh butter. The day before, my boss was having a family party so he ordered REAL Italian gourmet meats from Italy, to do it right. He made all the platters ahead of time, but still had leftover meats that he said we could use for our own delight. Real prosciutto, real salami, real provolone cheese that was unprocessed and unpasteurized. Capicola ham, spiced ham. I made a spiced mayonnaise myself, in the store. Roma tomatoes. Romaine lettuce that I delved through to find the perfect pieces. Red onion. I stacked the meat so that it would be fluffy, folding each piece and making sure that it was in line with the bread-horizon. I used a perfectly sharpened bread knife to cut it on a slight diagonal across the hero-bagel-bread. I roasted some red peppers that we had over our grill, and used the true, raw olive oil that he had used for the party for antipasto trays. I used a few olives to make a small tapenade that went into the center of the bread, injected via turkey baster. After I cut it, I wrapped it up and put it into our walk-in refrigerator to marinate for about half an hour. I made a sandwich whose street value was easily over 150 dollars. I made two of these sandwiches. I gave one to my friend Kenny for his birthday. The other one I ate over the course of a day. I ate nothing else that day. I wept. Guys, I don't want this to sound like some bullshit story, but I ******* cried. I ******* cried over this sandwich, and I think about it every few weeks. This was almost four or five years ago.
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09-14-2010, 04:54 PM
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The best bagels are boiled and baked New York style. When I lived in houston I'd drive 15 minutes each way to this one shop because it was the best in town. Bagels made by real old school Jews. Or at least by Mexicans under the direct supervision of Jews. They had a banana nut bagel that I still long for.
The best bagels are boiled and baked New York style. When I lived in houston I'd drive 15 minutes each way to this one shop because it was the best in town. Bagels made by real old school Jews. Or at least by Mexicans under the direct supervision of Jews. They had a banana nut bagel that I still long for.
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09-14-2010, 07:16 PM
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The best bagels are boiled and baked New York style. When I lived in houston I'd drive 15 minutes each way to this one shop because it was the best in town. Bagels made by real old school Jews. Or at least by Mexicans under the direct supervision of Jews. They had a banana nut bagel that I still long for.
The best bagels are boiled and baked New York style. When I lived in houston I'd drive 15 minutes each way to this one shop because it was the best in town. Bagels made by real old school Jews. Or at least by Mexicans under the direct supervision of Jews. They had a banana nut bagel that I still long for.
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09-15-2010, 10:36 PM
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Having had over 50 turbos tested for various failures, NEVER has one come back with an actual manufacturing problem. And, honestly, that is all the warranty is good for. If the turbo is made or assembled wrong. My experience is that 99.99% of all turbo failures are not covered under warranty. ATP will tell you the same thing also. Rarely, do they replace a turbo under warranty. I don't know where it is sent from the distributor, it's on it's way there now. I'll post the letter I enclosed with the turbo next. Would it be possible to mate the CHRA at an angle if I only loosened the housing bolts by 1/2 turn?
99.9% of all failures are user induced. Whether it be negligence (usually unknowingly or Teflon tape used on a fitting no tape, copper washers on the banjo bolts) or the turbo ate something the motor spit out. Since you had excessive blow by I did???, I would double check the motor. Usually you only see turbine side damage/failure when the turbo has foreign particle damage.
In the last conversation I had with a Garrett engineer, I was told Garrett had only replaced one turbo in the last two years under warranty. It had failed from the incorrect installation of the seals. One turbo in who knows how many???
You will have to send the turbo to ATP for evaluation. They will charge you a $50-$75 fee to look at and test the turbo. The fee is in addition to any fees incurred from replacing the CHRA and turbine housing replacement. They will tell you whether or not the turbine housing can be salvaged. CHRA replacements start at $450, depending upon the turbo size. I have seen some go for as much as $700. If you want a chance in hades of getting the turbo replaced under warranty, you need to be up front with ATP about an oil catch can being installed check, leak down AND compression test results Didn't include that, whether or not an oil restrictor is used, and PCV valve info. 99.9 % of the time ATP can provide you with the cause of damage and the evidence to support it. It is most likely from foreign particle damage. i.e. Teflon tape being used, foreign particles in the coolant or oil both are brand new and I used distilled water, or something from the motor (i.e. piston ring) failed it. I do not send in turbos for evaluation unless a compression and leak down test have been performed, an oil restrictor has been used 0.32 (in some cases), and the PCV valve is tested to be good check. I find it to be a waste of every one's time to try and get the turbo replaced under warranty unless you can isolate the problem to the turbo, and the turbo is not the symptom.
I would also check your manifold for any damage on the inside. Any scrapes or clean spots will also tell a story used a dental mirror and a flash light, nada. Good luck! Thank you for the info!
Stephanie
99.9% of all failures are user induced. Whether it be negligence (usually unknowingly or Teflon tape used on a fitting no tape, copper washers on the banjo bolts) or the turbo ate something the motor spit out. Since you had excessive blow by I did???, I would double check the motor. Usually you only see turbine side damage/failure when the turbo has foreign particle damage.
In the last conversation I had with a Garrett engineer, I was told Garrett had only replaced one turbo in the last two years under warranty. It had failed from the incorrect installation of the seals. One turbo in who knows how many???
You will have to send the turbo to ATP for evaluation. They will charge you a $50-$75 fee to look at and test the turbo. The fee is in addition to any fees incurred from replacing the CHRA and turbine housing replacement. They will tell you whether or not the turbine housing can be salvaged. CHRA replacements start at $450, depending upon the turbo size. I have seen some go for as much as $700. If you want a chance in hades of getting the turbo replaced under warranty, you need to be up front with ATP about an oil catch can being installed check, leak down AND compression test results Didn't include that, whether or not an oil restrictor is used, and PCV valve info. 99.9 % of the time ATP can provide you with the cause of damage and the evidence to support it. It is most likely from foreign particle damage. i.e. Teflon tape being used, foreign particles in the coolant or oil both are brand new and I used distilled water, or something from the motor (i.e. piston ring) failed it. I do not send in turbos for evaluation unless a compression and leak down test have been performed, an oil restrictor has been used 0.32 (in some cases), and the PCV valve is tested to be good check. I find it to be a waste of every one's time to try and get the turbo replaced under warranty unless you can isolate the problem to the turbo, and the turbo is not the symptom.
I would also check your manifold for any damage on the inside. Any scrapes or clean spots will also tell a story used a dental mirror and a flash light, nada. Good luck! Thank you for the info!
Stephanie
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09-15-2010, 10:39 PM
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After receiving the turbo, the CRHA was clocked by the included instructions to include; only loosening the housing bolts a total of 1/2 turn, using a criss-cross pattern for both loosening and tightening and hand torque to spec with a torque wrench. After clocking there was no binding and the shaft was able to spin with no contact of the housing on either side. The turbo was then fitted with cooling and oil adaptors to include a 0.32 oil restrictor in the oil supply from the engine. The bearings were pre lubricated buy cranking the vehicle (ignition/fuel pump disabled) three times for ten seconds each after oil pressure was displayed on the oil pressure gauge. The vehicle was allowed to run for approximately 20 minutes, shut down and allowed to cool over night.
The next day, oil and coolant levels were checked. All fittings were also checked for leakage. After confirming fluid levels and no leaking fittings the vehicle was started and allowed to warm at idle speed for approximately 15 minutes. The boost controller was set open to prevent non mechanical boost. The vehicle was then driven at speeds of 5 to 35 m.p.h. at various RPM’s, not exceeding 3,200 RPM for approx. 30 minutes. The vehicle was always kept in a low vacuum state (as displayed on an analog gauge) in the range of -20 to 0 inches of mercury (hg”) for tuning purposes.
After approximately 30 minutes of tuning a slight “siren” whine was heard and the vehicle was immediately limped back to the shop and shut down. Approximately three minutes after the sound was detected the vehicle was shut down. When the turbo was cool enough to manipulate by gloved hand, the shaft was hand turned. Both binding and contact noises were observed. The turbo was allowed to cool completely and removed from the vehicle. Observed damage included about ¼ of the turbine housing and the turbine showing signs of contact.
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The next day, oil and coolant levels were checked. All fittings were also checked for leakage. After confirming fluid levels and no leaking fittings the vehicle was started and allowed to warm at idle speed for approximately 15 minutes. The boost controller was set open to prevent non mechanical boost. The vehicle was then driven at speeds of 5 to 35 m.p.h. at various RPM’s, not exceeding 3,200 RPM for approx. 30 minutes. The vehicle was always kept in a low vacuum state (as displayed on an analog gauge) in the range of -20 to 0 inches of mercury (hg”) for tuning purposes.
After approximately 30 minutes of tuning a slight “siren” whine was heard and the vehicle was immediately limped back to the shop and shut down. Approximately three minutes after the sound was detected the vehicle was shut down. When the turbo was cool enough to manipulate by gloved hand, the shaft was hand turned. Both binding and contact noises were observed. The turbo was allowed to cool completely and removed from the vehicle. Observed damage included about ¼ of the turbine housing and the turbine showing signs of contact.
Long post, sorry.
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09-15-2010, 11:36 PM
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One time I was given free reign of a bagel store I worked in. I was in charge of everything. Everyone was gone for the day. I made a hero out of bagel dough. Whole wheat dough, everything bagel toppings. I made the bread into garlic bread, with REAL garlic and REAL onions that I sauteed up in fresh butter. The day before, my boss was having a family party so he ordered REAL Italian gourmet meats from Italy, to do it right. He made all the platters ahead of time, but still had leftover meats that he said we could use for our own delight. Real prosciutto, real salami, real provolone cheese that was unprocessed and unpasteurized. Capicola ham, spiced ham. I made a spiced mayonnaise myself, in the store. Roma tomatoes. Romaine lettuce that I delved through to find the perfect pieces. Red onion. I stacked the meat so that it would be fluffy, folding each piece and making sure that it was in line with the bread-horizon. I used a perfectly sharpened bread knife to cut it on a slight diagonal across the hero-bagel-bread. I roasted some red peppers that we had over our grill, and used the true, raw olive oil that he had used for the party for antipasto trays. I used a few olives to make a small tapenade that went into the center of the bread, injected via turkey baster. After I cut it, I wrapped it up and put it into our walk-in refrigerator to marinate for about half an hour. I made a sandwich whose street value was easily over 150 dollars. I made two of these sandwiches. I gave one to my friend Kenny for his birthday. The other one I ate over the course of a day. I ate nothing else that day. I wept. Guys, I don't want this to sound like some bullshit story, but I ******* cried. I ******* cried over this sandwich, and I think about it every few weeks. This was almost four or five years ago.
Mostly so you can be hungry with me. Goddammit.
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