Begi EWG Manifold
I'm looking for feedback from people using it, I'm curious about fitment. Obviously it's gonna work, its a cast manifold. I'll be running a T3 3071 with a 3"v-band outlet which i'm sure is gonna suck to try to fit it all in my car. i'm building my own 3" vband downpipe / notching the frame as needed but i'm curious if anyone else is running this. I cant remember whats in my sig, been a while, 94 car, 99 motor, 6speed, skunk2 tb, 1000ccs, 84mm weiscos, eagle rods, supertech valves, springs, head stuff bleh bleh bleh
warning, rant below, tl:dr begi customer service still sucks /rant I'm also looking to add some FYI on their customer service. I'll just add i'm extremely dissappointed in my experience with them (this is my first and last order with them). I called in early march and spoke with a lady (who i wont name but you all know who she is) and she quoted me a week to ship and another week if i wanted ceramic coating, i was worried about time so i just placed a non coated one. yeah i spec'ed the T3 and vband ewg flange, so alittle custom but she said no problem within a week, maybe two at max. Well it's been 7 weeks and with multiple inquirers and broken promises of it shipping 4 and 2 weeks ago i just want to let other people know their customer service is still lacking severely. Like just tell me straight up on the phone that its going to be more than 1-2 weeks and if you had a problem manufacturing or whatever, tell me that. I feel like she told me 1-2 weeks to get my money knowing it would be way longer than that, and thats just not right, oh and apparenlty 15 other people got suckered into this since i was 8 of 15 four weeks ago. /endrant |
Why don't you place a chargeback on your card and get something that actually exists?
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Yeah I'd chargeback that in a heartbeat. Too many better options these days.
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I emailed them yesterday, kind of dickishly but I'm fed up at this point and told them I'm gonna charge back Friday if it doesn't ship by then. And I know there are other options, I originally went with this cuz it seemed like a decent cast manifold priced well and I was told I could have it in a timely manner.
I guess I'll ask the dumb question. What should I run for T3 Ewg? Fm and trackspeed are T2 (I believe) and I'm afraid of Fab9s welded frankenstein |
y u no EFR
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1413171)
y u no EFR
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Even if it ships, you'll need to spend a couple quality hours with a grinder to get it to fit...
--Ian |
Originally Posted by Sandro351
(Post 1413174)
Lol I knew someone would. Cuz my buddy gets good pricing from Garrett and he preferred them to borg. Idk, I don't really have a great answer for you.
Even if I were going with a Garrett, I would never pick a T3 3071R. That turbo is ~25yrs old. Depending on your power goals you want a GTX2863 or GTX2867, but the EFR6758 will still out-spool both of those on the bottom end and respond/drive way better. You'll also get the same boost control capabilities from the EFR's IWG than you would from your EWG, except you won't have to hassle with an EWG or plumbing it (EWG, two flanges, hardware, flex joint, materials, fab/welding time). I am obviously biased but there's a reason I picked the EFR to build a bespoke kit around, instead of going with a Garrett like everyone else. The Garretts would have been a lot cheaper, too, but the EFRs are that much better. |
I'd charge back right now.
There's no reason to willingly subject yourself to so much headache. I mean, if you're a sadist/masochist, then go for it I guess... |
Originally Posted by Sandro351
(Post 1413167)
I emailed them yesterday, kind of dickishly but I'm fed up at this point and told them I'm gonna charge back Friday if it doesn't ship by then. And I know there are other options, I originally went with this cuz it seemed like a decent cast manifold priced well and I was told I could have it in a timely manner.
I guess I'll ask the dumb question. What should I run for T3 Ewg? Fm and trackspeed are T2 (I believe) and I'm afraid of Fab9s welded frankenstein |
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1413185)
Your buddy should drive both.
Even if I were going with a Garrett, I would never pick a T3 3071R. That turbo is ~25yrs old. Depending on your power goals you want a GTX2863 or GTX2867, but the EFR6758 will still out-spool both of those on the bottom end and respond/drive way better. You'll also get the same boost control capabilities from the EFR's IWG than you would from your EWG, except you won't have to hassle with an EWG or plumbing it (EWG, two flanges, hardware, flex joint, materials, fab/welding time). I am obviously biased but there's a reason I picked the EFR to build a bespoke kit around, instead of going with a Garrett like everyone else. The Garretts would have been a lot cheaper, too, but the EFRs are that much better. |
That's stupid. Litearlly all EFR turbos are v-band outlets.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...44bf971e1a.jpg |
No matter what your reasons are for your turbo choice, the most important parameter you did not consider is "what turbo will not require to use BEGI for anything". These kind of threads make me wonder how people still buy from them after the dozens and dozens of times they have shown horrible service.
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Chargeback now.
Start over. Never give Begi your money again. |
Originally Posted by Sandro351
(Post 1413255)
So I guess my main reason for going t3 is I wanted a 3" vband outlet because I take my car apart to many times to be screwing around spending 2 housing taking out 5 impossible to reach bolts that you can only get an open end box wrench on.
And the 3071 was a good match for what I was looking for. I mean people still use them and I'm aware it's gonna be slower to spool. Mainly building this car ever so slowly for some sort of time attack / track day monster. My power goals are north of 350. I had the car running at a solid 240whp for a year on a 2560r and I just wasn't impressed. Idk I guess I got the disease of just wanting more. Power obsessed. I mean given I still don't have my manifold, I could sell (or maybe return) this turbo and go a different route. Compare the cost of your Garrett + EWG + BOV setup to an EFR setup which includes all of that - you may be surprised. |
Originally Posted by acedeuce802
(Post 1413320)
No matter what your reasons are for your turbo choice, the most important parameter you did not consider is "what turbo will not require to use BEGI for anything". These kind of threads make me wonder how people still buy from them after the dozens and dozens of times they have shown horrible service.
Originally Posted by concealer404
(Post 1413330)
Chargeback now.
Start over. Never give Begi your money again. |
Savington, i realize all of this now, idk what i was thinking at the moment. the good prices on all the Garrett stuff is really what drove my decision. My DIY kit (mixed with i already have the oil/water lines, etc from my FM2 kit) is still alot of moneys south of your kit, but i do have to fab my own downpipe now and mess around with piping the ewg. and i will have a begi manifold, so theres that. and at this point i got all the stuff might as well try it and see how it is. new used stuff and used still sells for a loss either way. so whatever whats money when you got a turbo miata
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Why don't you just chargeback and start over. You're legitimately falling into the sunk cost fallacy. Just because you made a mistake doesn't mean you have to keep going forward with it.
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 1413479)
Why don't you just chargeback and start over. You're legitimately falling into the sunk cost fallacy. Just because you made a mistake doesn't mean you have to keep going forward with it.
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Hurrah to not digging yourself a deeper hole!
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I bought the same manifold with the ceramic coating and got the same responses. I emailed them every week and after 5 weeks it finally arrived. I had to cut some of the self to fit my GTX2863r and 3" vband downpipe. If i could go back and do it again I wish I would have just been patient and gotten an artech manifold. I talked to Abe and he couldn't start mine til after april, and I was anxious to install the turbo, and since I wasn't going efr, i figured the begi would do alright. Good luck with your build!
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It completely baffles me that a company that is managed so poorly and has such a shit supply chain can still exist after all these years of having issues.
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Because the kids shop on $$$ not on VALUE.
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If only there was a reasonably priced turbo setup designed around a stock engine...
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In this case, whatever is left of the company simply relies on past accomplishments and reputation built 15-20 years ago to appear legitimate.
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Originally Posted by z31maniac
(Post 1413675)
Because the kids shop on $$$ not on VALUE.
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 1413578)
It completely baffles me that a company that is managed so poorly and has such a shit supply chain can still exist after all these years of having issues.
Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 1413687)
If only there was a reasonably priced turbo setup designed around a stock engine...
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Originally Posted by The Driver
(Post 1413716)
I've wonder this for YEARS. Corky Bell, knows more about turbo systems, than anyone in this hemisphere; unfortunately BEGi can't build for shit!
MK Turbos... ;) |
Corky Bell USED to know a lot. Back in the 80's/90's. I mean no disrespect at all when I say: he's completely clueless these days, and couldn't care less about his company.
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Designing & engineering a good turbocharger system is a very different skill set from running a small business.
--Ian |
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1413724)
Corky Bell USED to know a lot. Back in the 80's/90's. I mean no disrespect at all when I say: he's completely clueless these days, and couldn't care less about his company.
Originally Posted by codrus
(Post 1413727)
Designing & engineering a good turbocharger system is a very different skill set from running a small business.
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Yep, Corky is a great guy, and I still don't buy from them even though they are an hour drive from me. My first kit missing things was reason enough. Lucky I was a resourceful guy and fixed most of it myself, but It wasn't like everything showed up in a box ready to go. I had to drive up there and get a part or two they forgot to ship. Plus, I have seen some ass backwards tunes with gaping holes in the fuel map and too much advance. I know another member on here spent hours fixing one of our friends tunes from there. So put simply, even though it is an hours drive from me, I don't do it. Plus, my fabrication skills have gotten such that unless I need tig welded stainless car porn, I can pretty much take care of it myself.
All that remains of said kit is the manifold anyways, I am pretty sure the damn thing would survive a nuclear bomb. I'm surprised they don't have them stocked. |
Originally Posted by The Driver
(Post 1413734)
Huh? The man worked with Lockheed "skunk works" in the 70's and 80's. The principles of turborcharging are still the same, only the hardware has changed, as with anything and everything. Bell still knows a great deal.
Agreed 100%, and in that Bell and BEGi have failed MISERABLY! |
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1413825)
Just like the principles of internal combustion engines are "still the same" now vs 50 years ago?
That Bell is a terrible builder, business owner and unfortunately, a charlatan of businessman, that is unquestionable. |
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https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...2e9c551129.jpg Reminds me of this. But you could use this and have ecool on each cylinder as well. |
The highest delivery port proved consistently 1.0082 higher than the mean measured. Oddly coincidental, the lowest delivery port was .9918 of the mean. We figured this was none too shabby and cast the whole configuration in stone. The definition of "mean" clearly establishes our numbers valid and near perfect. I hope I don't have to explain that anytime soon. |
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