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brgracer 03-27-2008 11:39 AM

Beginnings of my new build...
 
Been selling off lots of my old setup as I have a new one on the way. I bought Brian's (neogenesis2004) old car, basically for the built engine which will be swapped into the brg, and I am having a custom turbo kit based around a GT2871R built. Here are some teaser pics of the manifold by Rob at Flipside Customs. Granted, it's pretty much a copy of Kelly's old ramhorn, but it's been awhile since we've seen that. ;)

http://i30.tinypic.com/epeqsg.jpg
http://i29.tinypic.com/1zqcyuh.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/28sl9vp.jpg
http://i32.tinypic.com/25twccz.jpg
http://i26.tinypic.com/hvc7co.jpg

Newbsauce 03-27-2008 11:42 AM

First post, Tom likes men who can fab stuff like that. (edited)

teknikscian 03-27-2008 11:49 AM

nice!

whats the rest of the setup going to be?

Braineack 03-27-2008 11:52 AM

a motor that pwns j00 + a turbo/manifold/exhaust that pwn j00

y8s 03-27-2008 11:59 AM

sick sick sick tom. not gonna be ready for apr 5 huh?

brgracer 03-27-2008 12:16 PM

Yeah no turbo for dyno day, but I am going to baseline dyno NA as it's not a typical NA engine. ;)

As for the rest of the build, the plans are for a 38mm Tial EWG, 3" SS downpipe with EWG joining in later, and a 3" SS exhaust. I already have an IC setup based on a 18x9x3 core IC and will likely add progressive WI on top as redline will be somewhere in the 8500rpm area and boost will probably be north of 18psi. We'll see. This is going to take a bit, but it's gonna be fun. :)

TurboTim 03-27-2008 12:19 PM

Damn, very slick. I haven't seen those turbo collectors made from schedule 40 yet, I guess Rob makes them himself. Turbo is moved forward from center which should help with the DP.

brgracer 03-27-2008 12:31 PM

I can't take any credit for the built engine (all props to Brian) but here are the specs for those that are interested. Based on a 1.6L:

HEAD
  • ported intake/exhaust
  • 5 angle valve job
  • custom Integral cams with more lift/duration
  • Fidanza cam gears
  • shim under bucket conversion with MS solid lifters
  • Supertech valvetrain with stiffest springs
  • ceramic coated exhaust and combustion chambers
  • cleaned combustion chambers/bowls
  • cometic HG
  • ARP head studs

SHORTBLOCK
  • CAT rods
  • Wiseco 8.5:1, 0.020 overbore pistons
  • ACL bearings
  • rotating assembly balanced to 10k rpm
  • billet oil pump gears
  • Techline ceramic coated piston top
  • Techline dry film lube side pistons
  • Techline oil shedding bottom coat pistons
  • Cluchnet 3x PP + 6 puck disk

Ben 03-27-2008 12:36 PM

that's just... DAAYUMMM

highroller101 03-27-2008 12:50 PM

I agree with Ben... DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYUMMMMMMMMMMMMMNNNN!!!
I want to do similar thing to my head minus the solid lifters(any advantage to having solid? I also want to bore and change the pistons with H-rods from FM..
I just built a motor with ceramic coated piston tops, its in a car right now running and he LOVES it!

mazda/nissan 03-27-2008 12:54 PM

i think solid lifters get rid of valve float letting it rev higher

highroller101 03-27-2008 01:02 PM

ahah. makes sense... what about the valve spring on FM says it eliminates valve float to 9k rpm?

Braineack 03-27-2008 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by mazda/nissan (Post 234363)
i think solid lifters get rid of valve float letting it rev higher


what happens when you go WOT...your oil pressure increases....

what happens if you you build a motor to rev to 9k, your oil pressure will exceed 90psi.

what's the cure?

jayc72 03-27-2008 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 234372)
what happens when you go WOT...your oil pressure increases....

what happens if you you build a motor to rev to 9k, your oil pressure will exceed 90psi.

what's the cure?

A PC-Pro?

mazda/nissan 03-27-2008 01:15 PM

fiddle with the oil pump spring?

y8s 03-27-2008 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 234372)
what happens when you go WOT...your oil pressure increases....

what happens if you you build a motor to rev to 9k, your oil pressure will exceed 90psi.

what's the cure?

turbo oil feed restrictor. :D

nah, i suppose you could get a relief valve set to a max psi.

Braineack 03-27-2008 01:26 PM

if oil pressure keep building, then hydraulic lifters keep valves open. so yes I guess valve float is a reason why. if you wanna increase your revs, you need solid lifters....Tom's motor can easily rev out to 10k without worries.

Not to mention with a solid lifter, the cam profile can be more aggressive (ramp rates and opening times), solids will make more power.

Saml01 03-27-2008 01:51 PM

God damn. thats all I gotta say.

highroller101 03-27-2008 10:16 PM

...i dont know if this is normal or not after brains post... what is everyones oil pressure? my is 90psi when the turbo is in use, 60 @idle

y8s 03-27-2008 10:42 PM

60 at idle? did you put SAE60 in there??

highroller101 03-27-2008 10:54 PM

synthetic mobile 1 5w30
without the turbo it idles at 30psi and wot at 60psi

elesjuan 03-27-2008 11:07 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 234390)
if oil pressure keep building, then hydraulic lifters keep valves open. so yes I guess valve float is a reason why. if you wanna increase your revs, you need solid lifters....Tom's motor can easily rev out to 10k without worries.

Not to mention with a solid lifter, the cam profile can be more aggressive (ramp rates and opening times), solids will make more power.

Using a solid lifter in these motors also require adjusting the valves as maintenance item or are the solid cams super super hard and don't wear quickly? I'm not familiar to the type of OHC "follower" buckets these engines have so I have absolutely no experience with them.

m2cupcar 03-27-2008 11:23 PM

something's whacked if your throttle is changing oil pressure independent of rpm

I'd go so far as to add "shim-under-bucket" solid lifters for revving to 10k. I'd be nervous revving the heavy over bucket shims to high revs for extended periods (higher gears)

Nice build Tom. :bigtu:

miatamania 03-28-2008 12:01 AM

I wondered when you were going to post this up...

PM me if you are going to part with all the old stuff ;D (At least the mani/downpipe)...

urgaynknowit 03-28-2008 12:11 AM

to the op, im loving the manifold you are making

i have a quick question, what the difference between a 3 angle valve job, and a 5?
i just noticed u had a 5 done, and ive never heard of that

LOOINEY 03-28-2008 12:27 AM

Better flow past the valves and better seal do to more contact points.

y8s 03-28-2008 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by urgaynknowit (Post 234726)
to the op, im loving the manifold you are making

i have a quick question, what the difference between a 3 angle valve job, and a 5?
i just noticed u had a 5 done, and ive never heard of that

an ideal valve seat cut would be a smooth radius for flow but since that's virtually impossible to produce for cheap, shops will cut a series of angles to simulate the round edge. the more cuts, the closer the approximation is to a smooth curve.

brgracer 03-28-2008 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by m2cupcar (Post 234706)
I'd go so far as to add "shim-under-bucket" solid lifters for revving to 10k. I'd be nervous revving the heavy over bucket shims to high revs for extended periods (higher gears)

My head has the shim under bucket conversion as well, but it's actually the theoretical risk of water pump cavitation (as well as general engine longevity) that has me keeping the redline <9k rpm. Not too many people have been there so hard to say if it's an issue or not, but it'd suck to kill the engine over 500 more rpm when 8500 seems like plenty, especially when the torque starts dropping off after 5-6k based on dyno charts.

TurboTim 03-28-2008 11:59 AM

Electric water pump! You could even set it to run a min after shutoff to keep the turbo cool, like the new TT BMW's.

Braineack 03-28-2008 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by brgracer (Post 234846)
especially when the torque starts dropping off after 5-6k based on dyno charts.



well let's see if Brian did a good job choosing cams before you say that :noob:

urgaynknowit 03-28-2008 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 234830)
an ideal valve seat cut would be a smooth radius for flow but since that's virtually impossible to produce for cheap, shops will cut a series of angles to simulate the round edge. the more cuts, the closer the approximation is to a smooth curve.

i see, more cuts = smoother, got it

Braineack 03-28-2008 12:14 PM

http://flag.blackened.net/mopar/fig25.jpg

musanovic 03-28-2008 03:04 PM

very nice mani. i like it very much

brgracer 04-01-2008 02:39 PM

Step #1 DONE! Only a zillion more to go!

http://i32.tinypic.com/md1niw.jpg


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