Best place to buy t3 super 60
 

Hey guys,

Sorry to ask this, I've done some researching (searched here and on the 'other' site) but haven't found a definitive answer. I'm looking to buy a t3 super 60 and am trying to get the best price available.

www.westcoast-turbo.com has rebuilt super 60s for a great price but it seems they are closed for now??

www.blaastperformance.com has rebuilt t3s (.48 turbine, .60 compressor) for a good price too but it's not really a super 60 (right??) and some of the website is in french which makes me wonder if they are in Canada. Not really a big deal just more expensive shipping, also their t3s don't come with a wastegate so that is another cost.

Anyone know of a good place to get a t3 super 60 for under $500?

Any input would be great, thanks guys.

I have a price on them with no wastegate here but it looks like I am outside your price range. If you are interested I could get you a price with a wastegate. These are brand new(not rebuilt) and come with a warrenty. I have done businesss with quite a few members here who will vouch for me.
https://www.miataturbo.net/forums/showthread.php?t=5352

Thanks for the reply, I saw your prices when searching earlier and it's a bit more than I'd like to pay. I'll probably be ordering some other stuff from you (couplers and tbolts) later, I've bought ATP stuff before at full price and was pleased.

sorry to double post but what do you guys think of this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/T3-Ga...spagenameZWDVW

Looks good except for some minor damage to the compressor intake. All of the other super 60s I've looked at had 'Garrett' stamped on the compressor housing. This one has 'AIResearch', I know they are the same thing but is this one just older?

I think I will bid on this turbo if you guys think it looks legit.

Thanks

Thats not a bad deal at all.

Looks good to me!

http://www.034motorsport.com/product...roducts_id=389

A bit cheaper. Haven't ordered from them before though.

i would have recommended west-coast. you could look for a turbonetics turbo.


I personally dont like the ebay turbo, The compressor inlet requires an adapter and looks warped? and I dont like the turbine swingarm. It's a 3" outlet and it sticks out a bit from the turbine (1.5" or so), it may be difficult to fit a 3" DP up there with the extra girth.

034 is a very reputable company. You can't go wrong there. Thats an outstanding price.

I'm willing to bet that ebay turbo is originally a rebuilt unit from down2turbo. The wastegate is an OE mercedes diesel which is a larger (than the ford style) five bolt pattern on the turbine housing. The exit on the wastegate is also larger than normal at 2-1/2" and so is the 3-bolt pattern. How do I know? I bought a t3/t4 from down2turbo- they use those wastegates on a lot of t3s.

Here's my personal down2turbo experience-
My center section was chinese- AAMOF the only part I could verify was actually garrett was the turbine housing and wastegate. The ad claimed to use real Garrett parts, so I suppose it was correct. The turbo lasted for about ten seconds under boost and then I got the dreaded "blades hitting compressor housing" noise. I'm not sure what happened. The shaft was bent and bolts were loose on the turbine housing. I'd checked all that stuff before install. I've been running a used turbonetics t3/t4 for about 500 miles with the exact same setup and no problems.

My advice is to buy your turbo as late as possible in the install so you're still under some kind of customer satisfaction warranty, since most of these rebuilds only have a 30 day (or less) warranty on them. I bought mine over a year in advance and had no recourse after it failed. You could even pick up a spare t3 housing to build the kit on. Just a thought. There are definitely advanatages from spending more and getting a longer guarantee.

btw- West Coast has been getting a bad rap on HMT for a while now.

- rob

If your going to spend some money, then go with WOT suggestions from ATP.

I just rebuilt, a 'new rebuilt turbo' that I had bought off evil bay a while ago (It also had rtv in the center section-- WTF?)(I bought it to save time hahaha) The prices of used turbos have gone up a lot over the past two years, I used to buy T3's (locally) for 60-80 bucks, now they are over 200 and still need rebuilds... I would seriously consider a new garrett if your are the type that want it done right the first time.

I'm planning on running this car ('95 PEP) at as many open track days as possible. I would like it to be reliable on the track, that considered do you guys think I should run a .60 compressor / .63 turbine?

The larger turbine (.63 vs .48) should give less back pressure, lower intake temps and lower underhood temps, correct? It seems the general consensus is that the t3 s60 (.42 or .60/.48) is a good match to the miata and Braineak doesn't seem to have any problems running his at the track.

Is the .60/.63 overkill or would I see benefits on the track using it instead?

Thanks

You may give up some spool for top end power. Its really up to you though. I think you can get almost 300 whp with the .48. If you want more than that I would start looking at something utilizing a T04E compressor anyways.

Although, I still don't think it's a better street turbo than the T3S60, but I have to say I am impressed as hell with this turbo.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/T04E-...QQcmdZViewItem

Despite rumors to the contrary, the SS Ghettochrome Manifold is staying together and the turbo has serious ummph. If it spooled earlier it would be awesome. This thing get's dyno'd on December 1st, I'll have official numbers then.

I'm almost tempted to build a kit around this sucker and sell it.

Mark

Mark,
My question is how does your turbo compare to the same spec'd Garrett T04E 57 trim stage III? Is the late spool a function of the "chinese" in the turbo, or the characteristics of the specs in general?

blaastperformance is a good dude (Guillaume) and responds quickly to his emails. He has a 6 month warranty on his rebuilds too. I actually sent him my T360 to rebuild and he sent pictures back of cracks that I couldn't see without disassembling it. He gave me a $50 credit for the parts he could use (not much) and said he'd give me $100 credit for decent shaped T3s. He'll also do the basic rebuilds/upgrades.

Frank

characteristics of the particular turbo, not country of origin

I think it's a function of the rather large turbine. I don't think that the blades are as good as the new GT stuff but I would certainly bet that they are as good as the older T series. I have not owned a T series turbine this large before on a miata, I have always spec'd smaller ones because this one is really too large for general street use. It does have some side benefits though.

It runs pretty cool for a turbo, I haven't made the housing glow... that's both good and bad, but thermally seems pretty easy on the rest of the car. The thing makes crazy power even though it spools late, I have plenty of usable RPM to play with... even with a 7200 RPM redline it would still be a fun turbo, just not as fun as being able to bring it all the way up to 8500.

The 1st - 2nd gear shift puts you at right around 4300 RPM
The 2nd - 3rd gear shift puts you at right around 5200 RPM
The 3rd - 4th gear shift would land you at 5500 RPM
And 4th - 5th would put you squarely on 5700 RPM
Finally 5th - 6th would leave ya at 6100 RPM

This assumes a stock 7200 RPM rev limit. So this turbo is on the edge of usefulness on the street... but it still can be used at the stock rev limit.

Mark

I am facing the same problem with finding a S60, those S.O.B's are hard to find! So fare ive come across this one ass well.

http://cheapturbo.stores.yahoo.net/gat3su.html

This next place i have yet to call and ask. If somone wants to do the research maybe it will help us all out.

http://www.spooledmotorsports.com/

If i cant find a cheap one what would be the next best thing? Is there a smaller T3 with a Ford Flange? What are my options?

I didn't post the price up top but I do offer them for $565 without a wastegate. They are brand new Garrett turbos with warrenty plus you have me to go to bat for you if anything happens.

That's not a bad deal really. You pay for the name obviously, but the CHRA's are definately higher quality as well.

Mark

just don't buy from MJMTurbos.com I paid close to $450 for a new t3 S60. ended up with a t3/t4 with a ".60 trim" wheel...sigh (which was built poorly besides that, blades hit the walls). Took about 2-3 months and lots of talking with the better business buearu (Case #: 85003007) to get my money back. And by that point I had taken it apart; Keep the chra, turbine, and 360° bearing from it and sent them back my old parts.... ;)


https://www.miataturbo.net/forums/at...3&d=1125710912

what they gave me vs. T3 45 trim (large ass muther fucking wheel)

(they machined out the housing and backplate to accept the wheel, the talked about laser/infared percision accuracy and all this bullshit. The compressor blades hit the walls on the first boost, the wastegate never worked, and it wasn't what I asked for. On top of that the guy who ran the shop refused to talk to me half of the time and hung up on my all the time when I was troubleshooting the compressor blades (I had no clue it was the wrong turbo at the time). He seriously was like "are you challenging the quality of my work?! and who are you?!" His shop was somewhere in AL (mjmturbo.com), but some random chick that took care of everything was based in CT (mjmturbos.com). Such a scam place.

So WOTs deal doesn't sound so bad at all.

acutally here's a quote:

talk about ruining your turboing experience.

http://www.blaastperformance.com/index.php?p=t34860

T3 0.48/0.60 $425.00

T3 0.48/0.60 Watercooled $445.00

Not a bad deal on a 60 trim, will work just as good as a super 60. Stinks they don't offer the smalle A/R combo

Guillaume at Blaast can hook you up with whatever combo you want, including compressor covers, most Garrett A/Rs etc. Not sure why you'd really want a .48/.42 though. His rebuild prices are good but shipping to Canada can be pricey.

Frank

still make big power and faster spool with the smaller A/R

We have different ideas of "big power" I guess. Unless you're lugging around at 2k rpm all the time, quick spool is overrated.

Frank

no it's not.

It certainly is on the 7 turbo cars I've owned. I've gone with bigger turbos on every car I've owned. Having a "slower" spooling big turbo that stll makes 50whp+ across the board vs a small turbo that spins quick and dies over 6K just doesn't do it for me. But to each his own. You've got a 1.6 also (which I had) so your turbo choice and spool characteristics might be different than mine.

Frank

I'd say displacement plays a big role in the majority of decisions on what one wants from forced induction. Just the displacement increase makes a big diff in daily low rpm driving- which is then compounded by even the slightest amount of boost. My boost onset is at 1800rpm with a t3 stage3 48AR, t4 50AR and it's immediately noticeable that boost is buidling from that point on. I now have a better understanding of how AndyFloyd drives daily with a 3271 (which is often referred to as a big turbo for a small 4 cylinder) - he's got 1.9L of displacement, a more efficiently designed turbo, a free flowing exhaust... all that and more make a big difference in how a turbo feels. Braineack's setup is probably at the other extreme - right?

not really, T3 S60, starts to spool at 1.8k, reaches 12psi by 4k. But I've ridden in miatas that build boost faster, and I like the charateristics...it's really a compromise between ultimate power output and initial torque.

I meant that you're not running a 3" exhaust, no cat, external wastegate, and have 300cc less displacement, therefore you run a smaller turbo.