Blowing smoke on deceleration after boost
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I drove my car for the first time today since finishing my turbo build, it is blowing a lot of white smoke on deceleration after a pull in boost. It also blows a small puff of smoke on shifts. I searched and cannot find a definitive solution. Help will be greatly appreciated!
Build Info -NA8 -MS3x -ID1000 -ARTech manifold, downpipe, and exhaust -used SR20 turbo from zilvia (Garret 2560 journal bearing), no restrictor (see pictures below) -turbo supply line = -4AN, turbo drain line = -10AN (see pictures below) -OEM PCV with line to intake manifold on cold side of valve cover, vented to atmosphere on hot side of valve cover (I will be getting a catch can setup soon) Main Points -a lot of -according to a friend, there is also a small puff of smoke on shifts with no boost -no smoke during the pull - -this car did not smoke, burn coolant, or burn oil before this build. I did not open the engine during the build -turbo was bought used from zilvia, it does not have excessive shaft play and looks like it is in really good condition (but I still think this is a turbo problem in some way, maybe turbo drain?) -there is no oil in the compressor inlet, there is no oil in the charge piping or intercooler, all of those areas are completely dry Do I need a restrictor even though this is a journal bearing turbo? Does my oil drain line stay horizontal for too long? I am not sure where to go from here because from what I have read when other people (on this forum and others) post about similar issues, they always have more symptoms. They smoke during the pull, or while revving, or there is oil in the charge piping. Pictures of my turbo's oil inlet and drain line. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! |
Seals on the turbo ok? Turbo housing all good? I suopose if oil was getting into it the smoke would be blue-ish. Anyway my first thought was the turbo itself and its state of health
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Seals on the turbo ok? Turbo housing all good? I suopose if oil was getting into it the smoke would be blue-ish. Anyway my first thought was the turbo itself and its state of health.
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Originally Posted by achervig
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Seals on the turbo ok? Turbo housing all good? I suopose if oil was getting into it the smoke would be blue-ish. Anyway my first thought was the turbo itself and its state of health.
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I had almost the same problem when my headgasket was leaking. After boost pull when the RPM drops on its own without braking to a certain RPM lots a smoke. With normal driving not, only when boosting
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Could very well be the restrictor. It is a must on Garrett turbos.
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Originally Posted by Vincentmiata
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I had almost the same problem when my headgasket was leaking. After boost pull when the RPM drops on its own without braking to a certain RPM lots a smoke. With normal driving not, only when boosting
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Originally Posted by yossi126
(Post 1400949)
Could very well be the restrictor. It is a must on Garrett turbos.
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Yup. Read about it. My T25 is journal and I use a restrictor. I searched around before buying and the Nissan guys said you need it.
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Originally Posted by yossi126
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Yup. Read about it. My T25 is journal and I use a restrictor. I searched around before buying and the Nissan guys said you need it.
https://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbo...oil_restrictor |
It later says it is a good practice for a non rebuilt journal turbo. Most are at least 20 years old by now. The nissan turbos were fitted with one from the factory and a 10$ part couldn't hurt.
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Originally Posted by Bronson M
(Post 1400964)
According to Garret a restrictor is generally not needed on journal bearings turbos........
https://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbo...oil_restrictor I am leaning towards piston ring blow-by in boost, then on deceleration when the intake manifold goes into vacuum the oily air in the now pressurized crankcase is sucked in to the combustion chamber and goes out the exhaust. I am going to check compression and do a leak down test. Any thoughts on that theory? |
Originally Posted by yossi126
(Post 1400969)
It later says it is a good practice for a non rebuilt journal turbo. Most are at least 20 years old by now. The nissan turbos were fitted with one from the factory and a 10$ part couldn't hurt.
1. I would expect to see smoke at times other than only when decelerating. There is literally no smoke at any time except for when I come off of the throttle after being on it. 2. I would expect to see oil at the compressor inlet, or in the charge piping, or in the exhaust. There is no oil at any of those locations. That makes me think the oil that is making it out the exhaust is oil vapor (as it would be if it had gone through the combustion chamber). |
Overrun conditions can suck oil around the rings and where I generally see oil smoke first on tired engines.
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Originally Posted by Bronson M
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Overrun conditions can suck oil around the rings and where I generally see oil smoke first on tired engines.
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In my car I know for sure the rings are toast. I see big clouds of blue smoke and I have a quart of oil per 800 miles consumption.
Keep an eye on your oil consumption. If it's not a big deal I wouldn't give it a second thought. |
Originally Posted by yossi126
(Post 1400978)
In my car I know for sure the rings are toast. I see big clouds of blue smoke and I have a quart of oil per 800 miles consumption.
Keep an eye on your oil consumption. If it's not a big deal I wouldn't give it a second thought. |
I had an old small block Chevy that was beyond wore out, as a trick I'd run it up to 6k RPM and then let it coast down to 4k. It would haze smoke doing this but when I'd jump back on the gas at 4k I could cover 4 lanes of highway in smoke thick enough you'd think I blew the motor.
Every motor is different, compression and leak down numbers will tell you how bad it is. |
That's the Miataturbo.net spirit :)
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Originally Posted by Bronson M
(Post 1400982)
I had an old small block Chevy that was beyond wore out, as a trick I'd run it up to 6k RPM and then let it coast down to 4k. It would haze smoke doing this but when I'd jump back on the gas at 4k I could cover 4 lanes of highway in smoke thick enough you'd think I blew the motor.
Every motor is different, compression and leak down numbers will tell you how bad it is. |
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