Originally Posted by Mturbo
(Post 824796)
Yeah the mech's I work with say if its not flying than more than the butt connector is not necessarily. but as I said before I do see where you are coming from, and I think I might go ahead and get a heat gun and soldering iron just to get the more important wiring jobs done correctly.
Originally Posted by vehicular
(Post 824808)
For the record, I use 3M barrel connectors and heat shrink on anything mission critical that sees any serious vibration. I used to work in the load cell industry, and we were CONSTANTLY repairing solder connections on cells used in vibration heavy environments. I properly sized, properly crimped barrel connector is MUCH less brittle than a solder connection.
Thing is, most people don't do everything right (including me, sadly) so they get an unnecessary bad reputation. |
Cheeseball Harbor Freight shielded butt splices != good barrel connectors and heat shrink. Period.
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Originally Posted by vehicular
(Post 824821)
Cheeseball Harbor Freight shielded butt splices != good barrel connectors and heat shrink. Period.
I can only offer props, but I would love to learn as much as I can about doing it right. |
Originally Posted by blaen99
(Post 824825)
I can only offer props, but I would love to learn as much as I can about doing it right.
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Originally Posted by vehicular
(Post 824821)
Cheeseball Harbor Freight shielded butt splices != good barrel connectors and heat shrink. Period.
http://www.harborfreight.com/merchan...-14-67521.html http://www.harborfreight.com/merchan...ack-66793.html |
Originally Posted by vehicular
(Post 824808)
For the record, I use 3M barrel connectors and heat shrink on anything mission critical that sees any serious vibration. I used to work in the load cell industry, and we were CONSTANTLY repairing solder connections on cells used in vibration heavy environments. I properly sized, properly crimped barrel connector is MUCH less brittle than a solder connection.
I also like to use the MIL-STD Tefzel wire for heat, corrosion and abrasion resistance. I guess I've spent too much time around aircraft. But, after all, aren't we making these Miatas fly? Given that few will invest in quality crimping supplies and tools, I feel more comfortable recommending solder and heat shrink for repairing wires. Gives decent performance with little up front cost. |
Originally Posted by blaen99
(Post 824825)
I'm blatantly threadjacking. Would you guys that crimp be willing to recommend good connectors? Do you recommend connectors that use that...integrated heat shrink stuff? How do you size connectors properly? Would you be willing to give some dos and don'ts?
I can only offer props, but I would love to learn as much as I can about doing it right. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/el/wire.html Butt Splices: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...lonsplices.php or http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...dmo4363884.php Ring Terminals: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...insulterms.php Spade Terminals: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/pidg.php Crimp Tool: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...lcrimptool.php |
I think I'm going to have my younger Bro go up and get help from vehicular so as to get the rig ready to drive, then when i get back to the states i will take it from there. i got big plans for this car. But i would be more comfortable starting from at least a safe car to drive.
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Originally Posted by hornetball
(Post 824844)
Wire:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/el/wire.html Butt Splices: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...lonsplices.php or http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...dmo4363884.php Ring Terminals: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...insulterms.php Spade Terminals: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/pidg.php Crimp Tool: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...lcrimptool.php But seriously, thank you! It is much appreciated, props for you bro! |
Here's a site with some good info:
http://terminaltown.com/Pages/Page207.html They also sell a quality ratchet crimper and terminal kits for quite a bit less than Aircraft Spruce. Lots of tutorials too. |
Originally Posted by hornetball
(Post 824859)
Here's a site with some good info:
http://terminaltown.com/Pages/Page207.html They also sell a quality ratchet crimper and terminal kits for quite a bit less than Aircraft Spruce. Lots of tutorials too. I'm going to have to make a big heat shrink order shortly because I can't find any adhesive shrink wrap locally, plus I'd really prefer to get conduit in the same order, so I'd love to hear more recommendations, and it does tie into the crimping! |
The accordion black plastic cover is crap, just wrap it in duct tape. For heat shrink buy a $10 variety box, and put the smallest size over the finished wire. I use a lighter; it leaves a little brown mark on the heat shrink but is a lot faster than holding your soldering iron under it forever. Could probably use a hair dryer too, but that's a lot bulkier and clumsier.
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You can solder a wire to a wire. It won't let you down.
But NEVER solder a connector to a wire. It will rip off in little time. Also, use solder with flux inside. Do not use products like S39. They will corrode all metal parts and they will just rot away. And yes: no soldering alowed in aircrafts. It is a safety thing. Soldered joints can let go under vibrations. A good crimp is better, but only if made watertight. |
Originally Posted by IHI
(Post 824874)
You can solder a wire to a wire. It won't let you down.
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I was poking around Harbor Freight's site and came across this:
http://www.harborfreight.com/ratchet...ool-97420.html This looks exactly like the crimper I use. And it's only $12 and got some great reviews by guys that use it for a living. For $12, it's certainly worth a shot. I sure paid a lot more than that for mine. Harbor Freight is hit and miss, but sometimes you get lucky with them. |
Originally Posted by hornetball
(Post 824961)
I was poking around Harbor Freight's site and came across this:
http://www.harborfreight.com/ratchet...ool-97420.html This looks exactly like the crimper I use. And it's only $12 and got some great reviews by guys that use it for a living. For $12, it's certainly worth a shot. I sure paid a lot more than that for mine. Harbor Freight is hit and miss, but sometimes you get lucky with them. |
Get back on track guys...personally i think the OPs car dies because hes missing the vice grips on the fuel line fuel control method.
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So, how are we off track? I'll bet those HF ratchet crimpers could also be used as fuel line vice grips. C'mon man!
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Originally Posted by hornetball
(Post 825056)
So, how are we off track? I'll bet those HF ratchet crimpers could also be used as fuel line vice grips. C'mon man!
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Originally Posted by curly
(Post 824873)
The accordion black plastic cover is crap, just wrap it in duct tape. For heat shrink buy a $10 variety box, and put the smallest size over the finished wire. I use a lighter; it leaves a little brown mark on the heat shrink but is a lot faster than holding your soldering iron under it forever. Could probably use a hair dryer too, but that's a lot bulkier and clumsier.
I used to use a lighter for heat shrink, but frankly, it gets old. And forget about using a lighter in awkward, tight spots (think wiring harness). http://www.harborfreight.com/1500-wa...112-96289.html |
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