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The_Pipefather 03-20-2009 04:36 PM

Those are too much money to be experimenting with. Since you need to retune anyway, I'd go with a significantly larger turbo. Spool is overrated even if I say so myself, you dont need anything below 3500 rpm.

I agree with what hustler's trying to say below whilst speaking like a man.......We need to clearly delineate spool from lag. i'm starting a thread when i feel like it.

hustler 03-20-2009 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 384787)
A 2500rpm usable range is all you need if your upshifts drop you no more than 2500rpm, technically speaking. Usefulness to a particular person is, of course, subjective.

spoken like a true track virgin.

18psi 03-20-2009 04:44 PM

to be perfectly honest, I have to agree. I'd much rather have a strong topend than fast spool. then again, some people in here like to be full boost by 3k so...I'm not a track junkie though

sixshooter 03-20-2009 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 384807)
spoken like a true track virgin.

Spoken by someone with a 2500rpm full boosted range.

buffon01 03-20-2009 04:53 PM

[QUOTE=Newbsauce;384674 I do wish I'd have tried a 2860 though, as those seem like the ideal sizing.[/QUOTE]

HaHa thats what I dropping on mine ;)

Saml01 03-20-2009 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 384809)
to be perfectly honest, I have to agree. I'd much rather have a strong topend than fast spool. then again, some people in here like to be full boost by 3k so...I'm not a track junkie though

You dont have to be a track junkie to appreciate fast spool. I like to have a larger useable powerband, even if it hurts the HP numbers.

turbo94 03-20-2009 05:11 PM

im using an sr20 t28 ebay special, but to unforeseen circumstances, its currently loaded with garrett big t28 internals. spool is slow, but dayum, theres plenty of top end pull. i think im around 10psi on stock internals. finally got it running right, now my clutch is dying. so no dyno yet.

Savington 03-20-2009 05:12 PM

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Someone forgot to tell my turbo that it's supposed to "fall off" on the top end.

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hustler 03-20-2009 05:16 PM

I plan on getting my gt2860rs tune cleaned up soon...like this may. :cry:

hustler 03-20-2009 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 384829)
Someone forgot to tell my turbo that it's supposed to "fall off" on the top end.

http://img.photobucket.cums/v326/Sav...p/DSCN1328.jpg

too bad it makes no torque...lol.

thesnowboarder 03-20-2009 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by Saml01 (Post 384741)
Artie. 275hp 250 torque I think with a regular 99 intake manifold.

so where is the other 25 hp and 20 tq?


If i were to do it again, i would have gone with a a 2871, or at least a 99 head with an intake mani+ absurd flow exhaust mani.

levnubhin 03-20-2009 07:40 PM

Looks like the 2860 with the smaller A/R is where I want to be. Now the question is would you buy this ebay special or go for the $800-900 name brand one?

eBay Motors: Drift T28 GT2860 S13 S14 Upgrade Turbo Charger .49 AR (item 120392174832 end time Mar-21-09 19:58:51 PDT)
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ArtieParty 03-20-2009 09:42 PM


Originally Posted by thesnowboarder (Post 384735)
Who other than paul? who has an absurd flow exhaust mani and a begi intake mani strapped to his high flowing 99 motor?

Tell me please, because my 2560 isnt making anything near that kind of power.


I would be the other person running absurdflow exhaust manifold, downpipe, and exhaust. Im making 275rwhp and 263 torque at 15psi. Full boost by like 3200 or 3400. I forget the actual number and am too lazy to look it up right about now. The difference between my setup and Paul's is that hes running a 99 block while im running a 95 (different compression). He also has a Begi intake manifold with a 70mm mustang TB while I am running a gutted 99 intake manfold with stock TB (still gave me 11 hp and 1 tq). His intercooler setup is also a lot nicer than mine and shorter.

http://www.miatamx5.com/dynoruns/11-...e_vs_artie.jpg

levnubhin 03-21-2009 04:22 PM

Need your opinion fellas. Want to but something asap. Would you try the ebay special for $300 or spend the extra $600?

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Garrett GT2860R
Turbine -Wheel: 53mm w/ 62 trim -Housing: .64 ar
Compressor -Wheel: 60mm w/ 60 trim -Housing: .60 ar



eBay Motors: Drift T28 GT2860 S13 S14 Upgrade Turbo Charger .49 AR (item 120392174832 end time Mar-21-09 19:58:51 PDT)
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Ind: 42.50 mm
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levnubhin 03-21-2009 11:51 PM

Bump
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Saml01 03-22-2009 01:01 AM


Originally Posted by ArtieParty (Post 384933)
I would be the other person running absurdflow exhaust manifold, downpipe, and exhaust. Im making 275rwhp and 263 torque at 15psi. Full boost by like 3200 or 3400. I forget the actual number and am too lazy to look it up right about now. The difference between my setup and Paul's is that hes running a 99 block while im running a 95 (different compression). He also has a Begi intake manifold with a 70mm mustang TB while I am running a gutted 99 intake manfold with stock TB (still gave me 11 hp and 1 tq). His intercooler setup is also a lot nicer than mine and shorter.

[IMG]http://www.miatamx5.com/dynoruns/11-15-08/artie_vs_artie.jpg[/I]

Probably a dumb question, but why does your torque curve fall so quickly?

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Phil, try the ebay sepcial. Worst comes to worst you sell the turbo for half of what you paid and you gain experience that you can share with the rest of us. If I was in your shoes I would do just that.

sixshooter 03-22-2009 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by levnubhin (Post 385255)
Bump

IDK, brother. The pics didn't show much detail in the ads, either. I was looking for casting quality as an indicator (possibly a poor indicator), but that's hard to tell from those little pics.

Without a name brand or reputation, you are just rolling the dice with either one. Pick one. Your call. I don't know, but is that one a real Garrett? Hard to believe the price.

paul 03-22-2009 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by Saml01 (Post 385272)
Probably a dumb question, but why does your torque curve fall so quickly?

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Because of the restrictive(even after gutting) factory intake manifold. Here is the same setup but with a better flowing intake mani(red line). Artie's is the green line.

http://www.miatamx5.com/dynoruns/11-15-08/top3_tq.jpg

levnubhin 03-22-2009 11:55 AM

Dang, that IM made a huge difference.
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SolarYellow510 03-22-2009 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by levnubhin (Post 385154)
Need your opinion fellas. Want to but something asap. Would you try the ebay special for $300 or spend the extra $600?

Do this. Garrett OE quality. A Garrett guy looked at this and told me it's the same thing they call a GT2560. Couldn't understand how these guys are selling so cheap, unless Ghosn just said, "Get all the NOS parts off the books."

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