Originally Posted by sweetmeatz
(Post 159578)
the only reasion they stoped using copper in the automotive industry is cuz of cost a copper rad will shed more heat then an aluminum one ...but the cost is way more ... why do u think they use plastic end tanks now??? not because it works better its cheaper ...
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jeez guys ... it was just a thought, lol. I already have my intercooler sorted out by bell engineering so i am not planning on trying this any time soon.
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Originally Posted by Ben
(Post 159323)
if you build your charge pipes out of copper a mexican will come in the middle of the night to steal it.
I think Porsche is using copper... at the compressor outlets if memory serves. |
Originally Posted by 671boost
(Post 159754)
haha! where i'm from they steal the copper piping from your household plumbing!
*edit* Check McMaster Carr... search for "copper pipe elbow". This shit is not cheap. |
copper is certianly interesting, but as everyone else has already said...expensive. Funny thing about copper rust...it actually protects the rest of the copper. When the exterior rusts it actually protects the inner copper from being exposed to oxidization and so technically the more rusted a piece of copper is the more it is rust resistant.
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If copper is good enough for Lady Liberty, it's good enough for me. Thin wall, easy connections, readily available, it all sounds good for DIY'ers to me. I think the cost wouldn't be too different by the time you figure in silicone connectors, clamps, etc. needed for the traditional materials.
+ there is no mistaking it for anything but DIY! |
Originally Posted by MX_Eva
(Post 159858)
Funny thing about copper rust...it actually protects the rest of the copper. When the exterior rusts it actually protects the inner copper from being exposed to oxidization and so technically the more rusted a piece of copper is the more it is rust resistant.
aluminum does the same thing, in fact anodising takes advantage of the hardness and chemically inert properties of aluminum oxides |
Originally Posted by 671boost
(Post 159754)
haha! where i'm from they steal the copper piping from your household plumbing!
over here they steal the copper from the railroads and the overhead electric power cables:inout: |
like it was said before copper was used in alot of cars before until it got expensive.. the copper tubing and pipes for the intercooler were put into place and then smashed together (like other intercoolers that are made) but the final process was to braze it with a brass or other non-corroding material (same as powercoating in a sense). if weight isnt an issue then its good.
another thing to not is that youre only going to get the air cooled so much because the ambient temp is at so and so.. if youre considering whats the best at this point most obvious choice is to go towards a water solution. |
Around here guys are stealing stuff off bridges. They've found a bunch of them missing steel support beams! Scary as hell.
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the market for scrap steel is that good?
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Originally Posted by cueball1
(Post 160004)
Around here guys are stealing stuff off bridges. They've found a bunch of them missing steel support beams! Scary as hell.
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my only concern is, do you think itll weigh more than regular piping?
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Originally Posted by slutz4
(Post 160044)
my only concern is, do you think itll weigh more than regular piping?
density Mild Steel: ~0.284 lb/in³ (1020, cold worked) density SS: ~0.289 lb/in³ (316, cold worked) density CU: ~0.324 lb/in³ (cold drawn) It's all going to depend on wall thicknesses, but volume wise Cu is heavy shit. If you don't understand this... you are too stupid to be a member here. |
Of course it's going to be heavier. How much though? It looks to be about 10% heavier than steel from Arkmage's numbers. On the complete system that would be what, 1-2lbs if using the same gauge piping? Somebody try this and report results! Copper is easy to work with. That's gotta be worth something!
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Bad idea.Copper heats up too quick and retains heat better than steel.
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Originally Posted by spike
(Post 160198)
Bad idea.Copper heats up too quick and retains heat better than steel.
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Originally Posted by Arkmage
(Post 160203)
CPUs in particular normally use copper heat sinks.
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Interesting topic that got me thinking.... copper is definitely the better material in a perfect world, but there are apparently some challenges when it comes to building intercoolers or radiators from copper that make aluminum superior for this application with current manufacturing techniques. Alot of it comes down to having to braze/solder the copper together, which acts as an insulator and defeats alot of the purpose of using copper in the first place. Whereas aluminum can be welded directly and there is no interruption in heat transfer.
I read some conflicting reports, but the only positive ones were on a copper organizations website, so go figure. Google 'copper radiator' and start reading ;) |
Originally Posted by spike
(Post 160198)
Bad idea.Copper heats up too quick and retains heat better than steel.
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