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y8s 03-03-2008 10:26 AM

Did i ever show you guys my...
 
downpipe after I revised it?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3064/...6e26ce.jpg?v=0

if you want, i can take pics of the rest of the exhaust while it's off the car. well, everything but the turbo flange piece. that's a bitch to remove.

mike_671 03-03-2008 10:32 AM

nope you never showed me :) , take the pics

Braineack 03-03-2008 10:59 AM

4" to 3"?

m2cupcar 03-03-2008 11:23 AM

nice, looks "by the book" to me. Bet it's 2.5 to 3...?

devin mac 03-03-2008 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 222541)
did i ever show you guys my...


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 222554)
4" to 3"?


and people wonder why the public questions miata drivers.... :)

y8s 03-03-2008 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 222554)
4" to 3"?

it's actually 2.25 to 3. the 2.25 is the outlet diameter of the turbine housing. It's got a wall to reduce turublence inside the flange.

http://gallery.y8s.com/d/219-3/DSC00172.jpg

http://gallery.y8s.com/d/222-3/DSC00171.jpg

In an ideal world where I didn't have to put a 90 at the turbo, I would have put the reducer at the flange. next time I guess.

m2cupcar 03-03-2008 12:05 PM

Did you consider running your EWG off the dp flange at the internal WG port vs. the #4 runner? Just wonder if there's any disadvantage to doing it that way. I found a lot DSM setups using that port for the EWG.

Braineack 03-03-2008 12:14 PM

ok looking at it backwards...i knew you had a 3" exhaust so i was worried about the placement of the o2 bungs. i got it now, looks good.

cjernigan 03-03-2008 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by m2cupcar (Post 222580)
Did you consider running your EWG off the dp flange at the internal WG port vs. the #4 runner? Just wonder if there's any disadvantage to doing it that way. I found a lot DSM setups using that port for the EWG.

Like this? Attachment 214291

The new downpipe looks good I like it. Now i want vbands.

y8s 03-03-2008 12:27 PM

wait, so run an external gate off the internal gate-hole? wouldn't that defeat the purpose of the external (and higher flowing) gate?

the mani had it on the #4. not first choice but it was what was available at the time.

cjernigan 03-03-2008 12:30 PM

I would rather have the external WG on the manifold, but some DSM guys do it the way my car is setup. Who ever did my car this way was an idiot and i'm excited to be able to change it all up with the new mani and downpipe.

Joe Perez 03-03-2008 12:47 PM

From Maximum Boost:
The bleed-off must vent from a location where the pulses from all cylinders have been collected. This virtually always means the manifold, close to the turbine mounting flange. Symmetry and easy flow paths are ideals for laying out a wastegate system.
It is vital that exhaust gases be given an easy job of changing direction from the route toward the turbine to the bypass through the wastegate. If flow has any difficulty whatsoever changing direction to exit through the wastegate, the ability to control boost in the higher rev ranges may simply disappear.


http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1479/wger3.gif
Fig. 12-9. The wastegate that does not vent from all cylinders uniformly is a bad idea. Nor should it cause reversal of flow from the turbo, as here.


m2cupcar 03-03-2008 01:02 PM

Way back before the demise of IMSA's GTP class, I distinctly remember seeing wastegates right off the turbine, post manifold flange. The DSM guys are overboring the IWG port and getting 40mm wg in there. I figured since it was post collector/merge that it wouldn't be too bad. It's still pre-turbine blade.

Ok- just looked at t3 turbine housing I have and it doesn't have much more room than 30mm for a port enlargement.

I found a good pictorial: http://www.jakelatham.com/1gDSM/proj...nal_wastegate/
Mitsu turbo has lots more space.

Braineack 03-03-2008 01:03 PM

here....

http://www.boostedmiata.com/technical/wategate_out.jpg

http://www.boostedmiata.com/technica...te_turbine.jpg

cjernigan 03-03-2008 01:08 PM

I too have seen some IMSA cars with the WG bolted directly to the turbine housing, cool stuff.

RusMan 03-03-2008 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cjernigan (Post 222586)
Now i want vbands.


Vbands are awesome, I got some on my exhaust, very easy to remove and no leakage.
Attachment 214290

Post pics of your full exhaust y8s, i wanna see.

y8s 03-03-2008 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 222590)
From Maximum Boost:
The bleed-off must vent from a location where the pulses from all cylinders have been collected. This virtually always means the manifold, close to the turbine mounting flange. Symmetry and easy flow paths are ideals for laying out a wastegate system.
It is vital that exhaust gases be given an easy job of changing direction from the route toward the turbine to the bypass through the wastegate. If flow has any difficulty whatsoever changing direction to exit through the wastegate, the ability to control boost in the higher rev ranges may simply disappear.


http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1479/wger3.gif
Fig. 12-9. The wastegate that does not vent from all cylinders uniformly is a bad idea. Nor should it cause reversal of flow from the turbo, as here.


yeah i know corky hates the runner 4 solution.

but my boost stability says otherwise. the hardest place to control boost is low boost because you require the most flow through the wastegate.

with a $5 mechanical ball 'n spring valve here's what I get:

http://y8spec.com/dyno/turbospool.gif

i'd say there's no wastegate problem here. :)

Braineack 03-03-2008 01:31 PM

i have a feeling if you didnt have a tubular manifold and collector the results wouldn't be the same.

cjernigan 04-21-2008 11:58 AM

Did you buy that transition from acestainless y8s?
http://acestainless.com/index.php?ac...&productId=572

Looks like i'll be building my own DP, modeling it slightly after your example. (simple)

y8s 04-21-2008 01:59 PM

www.verociousmotorsports.com is where i got my transition. 2-3" and cut it at 2-1/4" to fit my turbine housing exit


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