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Fritch 01-27-2007 08:24 PM

Does the pipe size really matter?
 
Currently I'm not running an IC, but I'm piecing this together still. I've got an intercooler that I'm going to use and it has 2" inlets/outlets. Anyone know the outlet size on the GT2560 turbo from the FM kit? I can't remember offhand.

Anyways, does the pipe size really matter? Say I run 2" from the turbo to the IC, should I keep 2" up to the TB and just use a transition or bump up to 2.5" (think thats the TB size) after the IC all the way to the TB. Does it really make a difference at all?

magnamx-5 01-27-2007 08:33 PM

it will effect flow eventualy and intake velocity as well as turbo spool but in the hp range you are likely to acheive sub 300whp i dount you notice to much difference

Fritch 01-27-2007 08:34 PM

I figure 2" gives a lot more room to work with in bends etc

VRTSid 01-27-2007 08:52 PM

I was thinking smaller diameter pipes would help spool and hit max boost earlier.

maybe it would limit peak HP under what it might be, but if I hit boost a little earlier wouldnt it be worth it?

I have 2.5 all around, I was thinking stepping down to 2" on the compressor side of the IC

Fritch 01-27-2007 08:58 PM

yeah I'm not shooting for 300hp with this setup, most likely I'm just wanting ~200-220rwhp in the end... but who knows

Ben 01-27-2007 09:10 PM

It would be interesting to see a comparison between 2" and 2.5" charge pipes. I would suspect that the larger volume of air held in 2.5" pipes would offset any gains in velocity. Actually, I think velocity isn't that important in a boosted application.

hustler 01-27-2007 09:25 PM

you typically don't need 2.5" until you need a t3/t04.

Atlanta93LE 01-27-2007 09:36 PM

I'm planning on 2" right up to the TB.

VRTSid 01-27-2007 10:16 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 76039)
you typically don't need 2.5" until you need a t3/t04.

it does seem like over kill to me. but I'll deal with that later :)

hustler 01-27-2007 10:20 PM


Originally Posted by VRTSid (Post 76050)
it does seem like over kill to me. but I'll deal with that later :)

from what I understand, tubing size is more dependant upon displacement and volume, not pressure.

VRTSid 01-27-2007 10:51 PM

right I dont run a t3/4 so 2.5 is overkill.

Braineack 01-27-2007 11:14 PM

I'm running 2.0" pre-IC and 2.5" post. works for me. Plenty of systems have been built with 2.0" all around.

MX_Eva 01-28-2007 12:02 AM

Mine is built 2 before and 2.5 after.

SamS 01-28-2007 12:12 AM

Mine's 2.5 all around. The only adapter is from the commpressor to the first intercooler pipe. My intercooler has 2.5" inlet/outlet, so I bought a 2.5" universal pipe kit on ebay.

Note: 2.5" leaves little room to work within the space provided for the pipes, and t-bolt clamps included in ebay pipe kits SUCK. I broke 5 after driving on the salty roads.

Mouglie 01-28-2007 12:20 AM

the way i would put it is, try drinking a beverage through a coffee straw...
but i have the same problem. my solution, 2.5"-2" for my air filter to turbo.

miatamania 01-28-2007 12:25 AM

so does it really matter? 2 or 2.5"?

samnavy 01-28-2007 02:09 AM

I think if you'll do a search over at m.net, or through Corky's posts there, you'll find that he's researched this at length.

If I remember correctly, he did back to back runs on pipe size ranging from about 1.75-3.00 inches and found virtually no difference in spool/power/response/etc... In the power and psi ranges we typically deal with on this forum, anywhere from 2.0-3.0 will be identical.

The benefit of smaller pipes is (as said earlier) that they are much easier to route... and they're cheaper (both for pipe and couplers). However, almost all of the eBay intercoolers out there are 2.5" in/out and the intake manifold inlet for 1.6 and 1.8 motors is also 2.5".

Depending on your turbo, the compressor outlet can be anywhere from 1.75 to 2.5". Most of the smaller T25's I've seen have been 2", which means a 2"-2.5" enlarger coupler and then 2.5" all the way to the manifold. Somebody with a T3, what do your compressor outlets run?

I run 2" all the way to the manifold, and use a 90* 2"-2.5" enlarging coupler there.

Fritch 01-28-2007 09:40 AM

thanks a bunch guys, think I'll stick with 2" for simplicity and ease

magnamx-5 01-28-2007 10:16 AM

some one should change this threads title to does size realy matter :lol:

Ben 01-28-2007 10:32 AM

i don't think she's gonna care if your pipe is 2" or 3" :gay:


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