Finding a TD04
 

YES, Ive googled, Ive googled until my fingers hurt, and I cant for the fucking life of me find anyone that sells the TD04H-15G new, or not in a Greddy kit, and not a shady looking dealer. Does anyone here know of any online retailers that sell them new or rebuilt, and for how much? Ive seen a few people on here running various TD04's, so Im hoping maybe someone can chime in and help. Im trying to plan an alternate route to turboness.

Also, correct me if Im wrong, but the TD04 uses the same 5 bolt flange that the Garrett GT's use, correct? So I could use a BEGi s/g downpipe? If not I could just go with one of the other dp's out there. Im now thinking I want to go the cheap route, which is why Im trying to see how this would work out.

Thanks

I'm no help, but id use the wrx td04 if I were you since you can pick them up for about 50 bux if you really look

I cannot attest to wether the TD04 uses the same flanges as X other turbo, but if you are trying to re-invent the wheel and find a "new" route to turbo cheapdom and awesomeness... maybe buy a Greddy turbo? If you don't want to use anything from the rest of the kit then maybe just maybe you could find the turbo for cheaper by itself but that would take a lot of luck/searching I think.. anyways, why search for a TDO4H like us Greddy guys have/are stuck to? Aren't the gt series turbo technically better? Maybe, maybe not, that's another thing that I can't find any real definitive info on, but if you want a TDO4H, buy the Greddy kit. If you dont want the rest of the parts from the kit, sell those and keep the turbo itself...
-Ryan

I had originally wanted to stick to a mostly BEGi setup, using a GT2560, but after thinking about it, and looking around a bit, I realised I could save a ton of money by doing some of it DIY style. BEGi intercooler is like $700-$800 if I recall correctly, and the GT series turbos (2554 and 2560) are both around $800-$900. I can get an ebay intercooler and piping for $100, and a TD04 for probably under $500 new, or used for much less like stated above. That alone cuts well over a grand off my total. Seeing the spool data thread with the TD04 13G and how fast it spools, sort of changed my mind about BB vs journal bearing. Though Im sure the 15G probably spools a bit later, but still in range of the GT's.

The WRX TD04 crossed my mind. Seems like I saw someone on here using one, maybe the 13G is the stock, Im not sure. I may end up doing that. Look around and find one used for cheap, and bring it to a local guy I know that rebuilds turbos (BNR, bryan for those in the RX7 world, good guy) and have it rebuilt.

If the T25/28 flange ends up not being the same as the TD04, I guess I could just go with Racing Mazda 2.5'' dp, though BEGi s/g sure does make my nipples hard.

::UPDATE::

THERE ARE TOO DAMN MANY FLANGE DESIGNS! I cant figure out what discharge flange the WRX TD04L turbo has. It looks similar to the GT 5 bolt, but Im sure there is some tiny little difference. This shit should be standardized. Every manufacturer likes to use their own flange though, I guess to keep people from using other parts. Im pretty sure it has a T3 inlet, which is fine because BEGi has a T3 version, but Im still stuck on the discharge. Seems like different models of TD04 had different flanges. Im so confused...

Jesus. Now its looking like the TD04L from the wrx has some messed up looking inlet flange, so it would require both custom manifold, and downpipe. Maybe I should ask the question, what are some cheap turbos that have T25/28 or T3 inlet and a GT 5 bolt discharge... Im guessing that leaves me with Garrett GT series :bang: Oh well. I like cheap, but I also like easy and hassle free. Maybe I can cut costs at the intercooler and still get it done cheaper.

sr20 t25?

Actually, Im not sure why I didnt really think about that before. I knew the T25 and T28 came on the SR20's, but it just didnt click. I guess I will just browse and shop for good deals until I click the buy button on something I cant resist. Only thing (minor) is the outlet would need an adaptor to hook up the intercooler probably. I think the SR20's had an angled adaptor. Again, that would be minor. Thanks for the ideas guys. Ill just keep shopping around, but thinking about it, a used T25/28 will be the best bet for a under $500 turbo, while being able to use BEGi manifold and DP. Now I just have to decide if I want a journal bearing T25 or a BB T28 (I think is just a 2560, which I would prefer). T25 probably quite a bit cheaper.

Hell, maybe I'll just do an SR20 swap... no, not really.

My plan is to go with a cheap t25 just to get the car turbo'd, then upgrade to a GT-series when the t25 gets boring.

I found a rebuilt garrett .42/.48 t3 on ebay for 160 bucks. Sent it to BEGi to be modified to fit their downpipe. The cost of that + BEGi-S kit + an ebay IC came to 1400 bucks. Just tell them you dont want a turbo/crossover pipe. T3 flange leaves tons of room for upgrades down the road too.

What's wrong with your greddy turbo? Basic rebuild starts at $275.

In a used situation, The idea is that if you can find another turbo with the same wheels and you put the center cartridge into your housings. You have to understand that because Mitsu supplied so many turbos to so many OEMs and places like GReddy that there are a lot of TD04x wheels in a lot of different housings.

You searcht not good enough :)

Look here: TD04H-15G Manufacturers & Suppliers

All knock off junk.

No, I found them, and thats why I said "not a shady dealer", because I dont think I trust buying there. I think I am just going to do used or rebuilt T25 like Deliverator just to get it turboed, then upgrade down the road when I can afford it, though I may not even need to do that. My power goals are only 160-180 starting out, and eventually hope to see 200-225whp. No more than that because I dont want to have any thought in my head of possible trans dump taking while on the way to work. Daily driver Miata needs no more than 200whp anyway in my head, though it may change. You really cant have enough though can you...?

Isnt the SR20 "T25" similar, or the same as a 2554? and the "T28" from the newer SR20's the 2560? Seems like I recall seeing that, but cant really find it now. If I did get a T25, Id eventually want a T28/2560. Used T28's from SR20's Ive seen are still in the $350-$500 range, and after a rebuild, I might as well have gone new 2560 for $850ish. But the T25 Ive seen quite a few for under $200 with low miles. Thats more my speed right now.

Nothing wrong with a Greddy turbo, but I wasnt having much luck finding any for sale outside of the Greddy kit. Then you have the manifold thing, and I was really wanting to give Bell my money for one of their manifold, and I would have to make that work.

Did you mean $2400? The BEGi-S alone is ~$1900. If I could go that route for that much, I would possibly do that.

I've always had good luck buy mitsu turbos at Under Construction

Nope, with the turbo, I think it was actually just under 1600. BEGi is really great about working with you for a custom setup. Just tell them you don't need a turbo ( -$600 ) or crossover pipes (-$200-ish ) and they will give you everything else in the kit tailored around whatever turbo you send to them. Keep in mind though that the lead time goes up when they have to custom make shit for your car ;)

Well for me, getting a kit after getting my own turbo and intercooler would be useless. The kit really has nothing else I need outside of manifold and downpipe, which I could just buy seperate. If I get the T25, I wont really need any custom stuff done.

The wrx uses a 13t, which spools quicker than the 15g yet has the same top end power. I believe it was JGS or ETD that sells a manifold with the wrx td04 flange/footprint.

And the 15g td04's are on ebay weekly if you know what to look for.

Ive got a wrx td04 powered miata... search my posts and it will show u some of the custom work i had to do.

I think I have decided to go the SR20 turbo route. Im not sure why the price is cheaper for the S15 GT28 than for a GT2560, since it looks like pretty much the same turbo. The GT2560 goes for $800-$900, the S15 GT28 is only $700. I can swing $700 for a brand new BB turbo. Plus its a T25/28 flanged, and I assume the turbine outlet is flanged with the standard GT 5 bolt like all of the other small frame Garrett GT's. Not a huge change in price, but it counts. Could go used for probably 1/2, but I would rather know I have a brand new turbo. Still need to find or make an adaptor for the intake, and for the intercooler piping, since it has the bolt on style, not slip on like I like.

MS comes first, maybe in a few weeks, then turbo, manifold and downpipe, and other little goodies. Intercooler will be ebay. I still may get out of this for under $2000 (not including the MS and injectors). Still cheaper than what Bell wants for pretty much the same thing, minus little brackets, hoses and shields, which I either already have, or can make myself for cheap or free. Just thought Id update. I will make an actual turbo build page as soon as I start getting the first parts.

There are several here that run the WRX turbos.

Flanges are readily available if you are looking to make your combined or SG downpipe or if you need the Subie uppipe flange. If you want to bolt it together and don't want to weld, Begi makes an adapter for t25 mani to Subie turbo for ~$130. It's cheaper to DIY as usual.

Many of those Subaru guys tend to upgrade right out of the box. Mine was a 5k mile takeoff. As soon as the engine was broken in the guy changed out the turbo.
It technically is the TD04L-13T.

And Nester ^^ at turbochargers.com is a dealer for the Mitsu turbos if you wanted a new one. You just missed their big ass sale that ended yesterday.

The Subie flanges can be purchased at weiRtech
They also have the flange for the 1.6/1.8 Miata exhaust manifolds if you are building your own.

if you have patience you can find a near new wrx td04 for about 100 bux. sixshooter is right.

its a great turbo too, can take lots of abuse and will produce some really good torque. only reason I didnt go with my original plan to use one is because I found a killer deal on my hks

Check out The Pipefather's build using the same turbo on this forum.

And for fun check out the "post your spool data here" thread regarding his setup. Sweet.

I've got one. I'm just waiting to get my MegaSquirt.

You people! There you go making me question myself yet again. Thanks for the info, I will ponder over this and do some more research before I make my final choice. Im still leaning for the S15 GT28 just because of the simplicity of it. I used up all of my energy doing the engine for the last 4 months, didnt save much for the turbo half of the build. Id like to just bolt it up and go (I hope). Unless I have a nightmare with BEGi parts fitting like a few people have had lately.

Didn't the 3000gt and the 300zx turbo use td-04's also?

I know the Stealths/3000gt's did. Smaller than WRX ones, though.

You know, with all the new talk about chinachargers, and knowing that WRX td04's are...
a) rebuildable
b) capable of making 200ft/lbs at the wheels before 3k rpm on a 2l
c) capable of around 250 awhp peak
d) dirt cheap

I may actually decide to go with one instead of a GT series. Bang/$ ratio is quite favorable.

The 300zx used garretts

And you guys are right, there should be a ton of stockers floating around, since everyone upgrades to our 16/18/20g turbos.

the 3000gt/Stealth used a td04 9b and runs out of oomph around 155whp on a Miata.

Yeah, too small. The Stealth guys typically step up to 13g/15g's.. on a TD04HL turbine..

The WRX turbo is probably one of the best bang for buck turbos on a miata