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jchiu 12-30-2010 04:24 AM

FM turbo kit don't make power?
 
Hi everyone again im a noob on turbo miata. I did some research I got a FM2 kit with link for managment. I'm currently running around 180whp at 10psi. My goal is pretty simple, I want 250whp in quick spool and low psi, i wanna keep it all 10-14psi range. Now my question is, what should i upgrade? Or should i not use FM kit and go for something else.

hustler 12-30-2010 07:39 AM

Can you give us less information so we can make a less-informed determination?

TurboTim 12-30-2010 08:05 AM

Typical FM2/2560 on a 1.8 should produce 250rwhp at 14psi & quick spool easily with proper tuning and exhaust.

Instead of going with a different kit, fix what you have.

chicksdigmiatas 12-30-2010 10:13 AM

Toon it. You need a gud toon.

TurboTim 12-30-2010 10:14 AM

:werd:

aznDragonX 12-30-2010 10:26 AM

1.6L or 1.8L?

M-Tuned 12-30-2010 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by TurboTim (Post 674073)
Typical FM2/2560 on a 1.8 should produce 250rwhp at 14psi & quick spool easily with proper tuning and exhaust.

Instead of going with a different kit, fix what you have.

Yup.. I just tuned one a few weeks ago and it made 250hp @ 13psi utilizing a 3" Exhaust, High-Flow Cat and Hydra ECU.

jchiu 12-30-2010 03:40 PM

Sorry about the info. Yes it is a 1.8L with all bolt on high flow cat and 3" exhaust.
Since the place I live which is seattle, washington. There's not many tuning shop that knows how to tune.

triple88a 12-30-2010 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by chicksdigmiatas (Post 674115)
Toon it. You need a gud toon.

2x. My initial tune ran only 140whp on the dyno and couldnt slip the tires on 1st at wot (6psi). Now with my own tune (still 6psi), i'm slipping the tires on 3rd when i floor it.

miatamike203 12-30-2010 09:29 PM

What year car do you have as the links for the 99+ miatas are junk and fm says dont run more then 9psi or you run the risk of blowing your motor from knock. So if you can fill out your sig.

Year
stock engine or built engine
any other mods to the engine
size of injectors
size of turbo
standalone or piggy back
Also any other info that might help the great people on this website to help you with your questions.

If you do this Hustler might not rip your head off.

Faeflora 12-30-2010 11:01 PM

I think it would be best if you disconnected the link and upped the boost. To keep it from detonation, just use that "octane in a bottle" stuff. The link is a very slow ecu and boost is what makes you fast. If the link can't handle more boost, don't use it. Just rely on simple mechanical solutions- not fancy electronics.

codrus 12-30-2010 11:04 PM


Originally Posted by triple88a (Post 674295)
2x. My initial tune ran only 140whp on the dyno and couldnt slip the tires on 1st at wot (6psi). Now with my own tune (still 6psi), i'm slipping the tires on 3rd when i floor it.

You need better tires. :)

--Ian

Faeflora 12-30-2010 11:43 PM


Originally Posted by triple88a (Post 674295)
Now with my own tune (still 6psi), i'm slipping the tires on 3rd when i floor it.

You are supposed to put RUBBER on the WHEELS.

triple88a 12-31-2010 12:55 AM


Originally Posted by Faeflora (Post 674346)
You are supposed to put RUBBER on the WHEELS.

I'm running hankook r-s2 225-45-15s all around. :vash:

Also are you talking about this stuff? :P

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:t...s/58/1.jpg&t=1

18psi 12-31-2010 01:02 AM

Unless you're talking about in the rain/snow/ice there is just no way you should be getting loose in 3rd on 6psi. I'm at 15+psi on a 30r with shit tires and even my car barely steps out in 3rd when its dry (and even then only when its cold).

dgmorr 12-31-2010 07:05 AM

I think he's mistaken 3rd for 1st :giggle:

jchiu 12-31-2010 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by miatamike203 (Post 674311)
What year car do you have as the links for the 99+ miatas are junk and fm says dont run more then 9psi or you run the risk of blowing your motor from knock. So if you can fill out your sig.

Year
stock engine or built engine
any other mods to the engine
size of injectors
size of turbo
standalone or piggy back
Also any other info that might help the great people on this website to help you with your questions.

If you do this Hustler might not rip your head off.

mine is a 94 with stock engine, GT2560R turbo, I don't know what size of injectors but it comes with the FM kit. Anyways, who can help me tune the car, that's the issue. I don't mind spending money on tune and get hydra if nescessary

sixshooter 12-31-2010 09:07 AM

You don't need a Hydra. You do need to find out your injector sizing, though.

Have you read the DIY FAQ thread? You might fing it helpful. I would contemplate upgrading to a Braineak built MegaSquirt for a more comprehensive budget ECU, or an AEM if your pockets are a little deeper.

What size intercooler are you currently using?

miatamike203 12-31-2010 09:20 AM

Need to find out size of your injectors and also what are you running for an exhaust. If its stock then that's the next thing you need to look into to make any more power. Also like sixshooter said go with a better standalone the mspnp is now only $5XX.00. so if your looking for cheap and don't want to wait you can do that.

falcon 12-31-2010 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by jchiu (Post 674208)
Sorry about the info. Yes it is a 1.8L with all bolt on high flow cat and 3" exhaust.
Since the place I live which is seattle, washington. There's not many tuning shop that knows how to tune.


Andre @ Pina Motorsports

Nuff said

triple88a 12-31-2010 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 674362)
Unless you're talking about in the rain/snow/ice there is just no way you should be getting loose in 3rd on 6psi. I'm at 15+psi on a 30r with shit tires and even my car barely steps out in 3rd when its dry (and even then only when its cold).

Cold but dry. I'll try to get some footage going :)

Who did your cat? If it was a weld in cat and a shop welded it you might want to check your flanges. The shop i used simply cut off the old exhaust and welded in the new cat reusing the old flange with the tiny 2.25" hole in the process. When it warms up i gotta open er up and drill out the hole on the flange.

Faeflora 12-31-2010 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by triple88a (Post 674360)
I'm running hankook r-s2 225-45-15s all around. :vash:

Also are you talking about this stuff? :P

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:t...s/58/1.jpg&t=1

Being that I have 225-50-15 RS2s and spin the wheels at 18ish psi, I think that your boost gauge is at least 10psi off.

Either that or your miata is some derivative of jtothawhat's. Preternaturally amazing.

Faeflora 12-31-2010 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by jchiu (Post 674057)
Hi everyone again im a noob on turbo miata. I did some research I got a FM2 kit with link for managment. I'm currently running around 180whp at 10psi. My goal is pretty simple, I want 250whp in quick spool and low psi, i wanna keep it all 10-14psi range. Now my question is, what should i upgrade? Or should i not use FM kit and go for something else.

I think it would be best if you kill yourself, and then buy your car a megasquirt.

triple88a 12-31-2010 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by Faeflora (Post 674565)
I think that your boost gauge is at least 10psi off.

Both, mechanical dash gauge and the 3bar map gauge in adaptronic both show the same thing. :squint:

Faeflora 12-31-2010 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by triple88a (Post 674573)
Both, mechanical dash gauge and the 3bar map gauge in adaptronic both show the same thing. :squint:

You have the most boost efficient miata on the plane.t :bigtu:

triple88a 01-01-2011 02:36 AM


Originally Posted by Faeflora (Post 674580)
You have the most boost efficient miata on the plane.t :bigtu:

or the crappiest set of s2s :vash:

triple88a 01-08-2011 02:39 AM

How are you guys mounting cams? I tried to take a video today but holding the cam with 1 hand while trying to shift etc results in bad video.

codrus 01-08-2011 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by triple88a (Post 676786)
How are you guys mounting cams? I tried to take a video today but holding the cam with 1 hand while trying to shift etc results in bad video.

http://www.ioportracing.com/Merchant...gory_Code=IOPP

--Ian

Doppelgänger 01-08-2011 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by jchiu (Post 674057)
Hi everyone again im a noob on turbo miata. I did some research I got a FM2 kit with link for managment. I'm currently running around 180whp at 10psi. My goal is pretty simple, I want 250whp in quick spool and low psi, i wanna keep it all 10-14psi range. Now my question is, what should i upgrade? Or should i not use FM kit and go for something else.


Originally Posted by jchiu (Post 674208)
Sorry about the info. Yes it is a 1.8L with all bolt on high flow cat and 3" exhaust.
Since the place I live which is seattle, washington. There's not many tuning shop that knows how to tune.


Originally Posted by jchiu (Post 674440)
mine is a 94 with stock engine, GT2560R turbo, I don't know what size of injectors but it comes with the FM kit. Anyways, who can help me tune the car, that's the issue. I don't mind spending money on tune and get hydra if nescessary

I'd do a few easy things like clean the filter and check/replace plugs with NGK 3033 with a .030" gap. That should set you up for tuning. When you did your dyno run, did they take AFRs? What were they?

A 94 1.8 @ 10psi should net you ~200-210rwhp. What kind of dyno was it? If you were on a Mustang dyno, then the 180rwhp sound right and would be 220-230rwhp on a Dynojet. If you're running the tune that FM put on it, it will be for 91oct gas at a higher altitude and will be very conservative. I went from 225rwhp to 250rwhp going from FM's tune from having a local tuner in Atlanta tinker with mine (93oct and 900ft altitude).


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