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Rallas 11-18-2011 01:00 PM

Full Race Inconel Studs
 
Has anyone tried the fullrace.com Inconel stud kits, either the 8mm or 10mm ones? At $50 it looks like a good deal for inconel studs.

http://www.full-race.com/store/turbo...dware-kit.html

http://www.full-race.com/store/turbo...dware-kit.html

I am looking to use a set of 8mm on my MSM turbo install. I have all kinds of good stuff about fullrace products in general, but not too many details on these inconel studs.

hustler 11-18-2011 01:03 PM

A286 is not Inconel, the threads are cut and not rolled like TSEs, and there is no locking hardware. Do it once, do it right, do it white with TSE.
/thread

aaronc7 11-18-2011 01:03 PM

im all for doing it white

Rallas 11-18-2011 01:09 PM

That is what I was wondering as well. A286 is not an alloy I am familiar with. My only option is the FM 8mm kit then, the MSM flanges do not have enough room to drill out to 10mm.

shuiend 11-18-2011 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by relte (Post 796704)
That is what I was wondering as well. A286 is not an alloy I am familiar with. My only option is the FM 8mm kit then, the MSM flanges do not have enough room to drill out to 10mm.

One of the guys out at CMP last month with an MSM had the FM Inconol studs and he has not had any issues with them yet on track. He was breaking the stock studs out on the track, which is what caused him to switch.

Rallas 11-21-2011 11:43 AM

Was it the guy with the gray MSM?

v01canic 11-21-2011 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 796700)
Do it once, do it right, do it white with TSE.
/thread

who the hell is TSE and do they have m10x1.5? Also has anyone had major issues with BEGIs m10 studs?

rharris19 11-21-2011 12:33 PM

Trackspeed Engineering: http://trackspeedengineering.com/sto...2ac7d22e527d4b

kaisersoze 11-21-2011 12:35 PM

A286 is just another iron-nickel superalloy so it's properties should be similar to inconel. In fact I think that some of the original discussions about different stud materials on here focused on A286

shuiend 11-21-2011 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by relte (Post 797667)
Was it the guy with the gray MSM?

Yes he had a grey MSM. I forget his name. He was friends with Ross U(forget the rest of his last time). He is in DE4 and I also think is an instructor.

Savington 11-21-2011 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by v01canic (Post 797688)
who the hell is TSE and do they have m10x1.5?

Hey, that's me. :idea:

M10x1.5 kits in stock, with Stage 8 lockers (the only thing that works) and Resbond (absolutely required).

http://trackspeedengineering.com/sto...-kit-p-98.html

GeneSplicer 11-21-2011 02:29 PM

DO it with TSE - you WON'T regret it! Had my first nut-wrenching-free track day after installing TSE's kit - freakin awesome not having to fuck with low boost, broken studs, and hot cracked manifolds (props to ARTech there on the manifold)

hustler 11-21-2011 02:56 PM

TSE is a pretty cool company. They let Jerry Sandusky crash at the house when he's in-town.

JasonC SBB 11-21-2011 03:46 PM

A286 is not a "superalloy" afaik, it's a specific type of stainless steel used for high temp applications.

hustler 11-21-2011 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 797803)
A286 is not a "superalloy" afaik, it's a specific type of stainless steel used for high temp applications.

That's right. Nothing is "super" when you're an engineer.

Larimer 11-21-2011 05:35 PM

It's used for aerospace fasteners, I know that much. If I still worked at my old job, I'd even be able to tell you about the properties...if it weren't confidential. They're tested in house so it was proprietary.

njn63 11-21-2011 06:51 PM

Inconel is a trade name like Klenex or Teflon. A286 is not Inconel and based on a quick look at the spec sheet, Inconel 718 (I think that's what FM/TSE use?) looks like a superior material for exhaust manifold studs.

shuiend 11-21-2011 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by njn63 (Post 797884)
Inconel is a trade name like Klenex or Teflon. A286 is not Inconel and based on a quick look at the spec sheet, Inconel 718 (I think that's what FM/TSE use?) looks like a superior material for exhaust manifold studs.

Just FYI TSE has not released which exact Inconel alloy they use for their studs. This is mostly so other companies do not just make copies. I do not think FM or Begi has released which alloy they use either.

At the end of the day the TSE studs are the only ones that have been tested on the track and who testing them has been stated. I am also sure Savington could get you lap times to if you asked nicely. Begi or FM has not released that info at all.

njn63 11-21-2011 10:47 PM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 797892)
Just FYI TSE has not released which exact Inconel alloy they use for their studs. This is mostly so other companies do not just make copies. I do not think FM or Begi has released which alloy they use either.

I thought I saw they used 718 somewhere but after searching it looks like I was mistaken. My fault.

If I were them I'd keep that information proprietary also. Too many copiers that don't know how to research materials out there (see Full-Race ;))

Savington 11-21-2011 10:51 PM

Our alloy is indeed proprietary. It worked - BEGi and FM use a different alloy. ;)

shuiend 11-21-2011 10:58 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 797978)
Our alloy is indeed proprietary. It worked - BEGi and FM use a different alloy. ;)

The fact that you will say who was the driver (VagaX I believe) was and that they were going faster then spec miata times is what sold me when I got in on the original group buy. I have yet to see FM/Begi/Full-Race come out with that info.

AlwaysBroken 09-06-2015 11:27 AM

Sorry for raising this ancient thread from the grave, but I have a relevant query.

Since I'm yanking the engine right now, I figure this would be as good a time as any to redo all of the problematic fasteners on the turbo. What I really need are some studs to replace the 5/16ths inch bolts that hold on my wastegate to the turbo (it's an internal housing). No amount of anti-seize seems to protect them from seizing as the level of heat around this area is pretty damn high. I've even had to drill one out and helicoil it at one point. Converting them to studs would isolate the actual fastening area from the heat (since it would be outside of the turbine housing with a nut instead of screwed into it). It would also make assembly a bit easier.

Yes, I tried google, but it's all aerospace/military contractors who want you to submit an RFQ, presumably as part of a multi-trillion dollar contract for bulk manufacturing of space fighters or whatever.

ryansmoneypit 09-06-2015 08:32 PM

What are you asking? All you did was say a bunch of stuff.

AlwaysBroken 09-06-2015 08:57 PM

I'm looking for a place to buy some studs for the 5 bolt turbine housing I have.

18psi 09-06-2015 09:17 PM

search for the nissan ones a bunch of use use. should be able to get part numbers fast

Sentic 09-08-2015 12:58 PM

I have been running the BEGI M10 inconel studs on track, cast mani, 225-252 whp, 40 min stints, @ or slightly faster than spec miata times (swedish equivalent) for 2 seasons without ever tightening the nuts. Regular steel nuts.

My downpipe studs stretch however.

18psi 09-08-2015 12:59 PM

begi has m10 inco? news to me

shuiend 09-08-2015 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1264210)
begi has m10 inco? news to me

They have had them for several years now. Here is a link to them. I also still stand by what I said 4 years ago that TSE are the only inconel studs that I will tell people to use. It is what I recommend to users who buy my setups and want to go on track.

Savington 09-08-2015 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1264210)
begi has m10 inco? news to me

$20 more expensive and no Resbond...

18psi 09-08-2015 03:22 PM

I would never recomment them anyway, was just curious.
I like my vendors to be non-liars.
Thanks for the info Larzie. (and yes I'd order from Andrew if I was getting some)


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