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TURNS101 12-07-2007 01:04 AM

help with my friend's BOV
 
I dont think my friends BOV is working. He is running about 18lbs of boost. The BOV is a Tial with what he thinks is an 11lb spring in there.

Whether fully boosted or partially I havent heard the BOV while i was driving it. I simply here compressor surge.

Oh, and it is hooked up to a vacuum line on the top. I know alor of people dont run that.

Any tips would help he and I are noobs.

Thanks folks.

spike 12-07-2007 02:40 AM

Tell him to take it apart,clean it and lube the piston.

Arkmage 12-07-2007 09:25 AM

it's also possible that you are hearing flutter rather than surge. might need adjustment (spring up/down)

Braineack 12-07-2007 09:30 AM

too tight.

cjernigan 12-07-2007 11:24 AM

I run an 11psi spring and it blows off great at full boost. But in partial boost conditions it doesn't like to open fast enough and i hear some comp surge. I drilled and tapped my upper plenum for 1/8" NPT and the BOV has it's own dedicated vacuum line which is much bigger than what fits on that little baby nipple near the throttle body. That should be your first course of action.
I would take the BOV apart to make sure it's all in there straight and to verify the spring. If it's silver, it's the 11psi one.

TURNS101 12-07-2007 11:29 AM

Thank you everyone.

I will check it out tonight.

I will reply back and let you know what happens..

TURNS101 12-07-2007 11:33 AM

Ya know, after thinking I do hear a fluttery sound.

I am a noob, how do you adjust the pressure/spring up or down. I looked at the tial site and I dont see anything about adjustment..

Thanks

cjernigan 12-07-2007 11:36 AM

There is no adjustment. You have to buy a weaker spring for $30.

TURNS101 12-07-2007 12:38 PM

Ahhhhhh, Well then new spring time. Well after I check the rest of the BOV to make sure its legit..

Thanks bro

Kelly 12-07-2007 06:29 PM

I have seen the oring on the valve stick before. A light coating of lube helps. Makes sure the signal line is hooked to a port on the intake manifold at least as big as the fitting on the wastegate.

dirtyboost 12-08-2007 03:18 AM

BOV's....? who needs em

nothing beats the sound of boost banging around in the pipes, sounds cool when you shift too.

But seriously, a friend of mine has been running almost 20lbs of bost on his 18g setup for a few years,and over 60K miles. His turbo is holding up fine, and the increase throttle response is astounding. The lubrication on modern turbos allow for longer lifespan and more durability under abusive driving,

just a little food for thought

-dan

TURNS101 12-08-2007 10:45 PM

I like food bro, I would just rather be safe than sorry. Thats all. The cool sound is the turbo saying "hey mother fucker!!!!!" Ya know what I'm saying..

Anyway, I will be playing with this thing tomorrow to see whats up.

Thanks everyone!!

Mach929 12-08-2007 11:02 PM


Originally Posted by dirtyboost (Post 183299)
BOV's....? who needs em

nothing beats the sound of boost banging around in the pipes, sounds cool when you shift too.

But seriously, a friend of mine has been running almost 20lbs of bost on his 18g setup for a few years,and over 60K miles. His turbo is holding up fine, and the increase throttle response is astounding. The lubrication on modern turbos allow for longer lifespan and more durability under abusive driving,

just a little food for thought

-dan

are you recommending running 20psi with no form of bov?

cjernigan 12-08-2007 11:31 PM

His avatar should be applied to his advice.

dirtyboost 12-08-2007 11:47 PM


Originally Posted by Mach929 (Post 183498)
are you recommending running 20psi with no form of bov?



i know of plenty of cars that run more than that with no bov. wrc cars for one, and ams road NASA road race car doesnt have one as well, i believe.

i drive my diy turbo 1.6 intercooled at 8 psi without one, no problems yet. Does wonders for the throttle response.

Mach929 12-09-2007 09:47 AM

it makes throttle response worse as you basically a forcing the turbo to stop spinning as all the air must go back out through the compressor. then you put it in the next gear and hit the gas you have to respool the turbo.

spike 12-09-2007 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by dirtyboost (Post 183511)
i know of plenty of cars that run more than that with no bov. wrc cars for one, and ams road NASA road race car doesnt have one as well, i believe.

......and everyone of those cars have the engines and components checked and replaced/rebuilt after a race.

TURNS101 12-09-2007 05:33 PM

Will cutting the spring reduce its rate???

Let me know. i will cut this bitch to soften it up ;)

cjernigan 12-09-2007 05:47 PM

I don't suggest cutting the spring. It's a specific length for a reason. Cutting it might be a ------ rigged way of lessening the pressure on the valve but you're not really reducing the springs rate. Cutting the spring might make it leak at idle, thats the last thing you want. Your spring is currently worth money. Buy the 9psi spring, sell the 11 on ebay.
Where are you getting vacuum from? If your vac source is too small, it won't blowoff right. The Tial is one huge ass piston. Give it the air it needs. Mine works fine with the 11psi spring and i'm only running 8psi of boost. Only times i have surge is when i get into less than 4psi.

TURNS101 12-09-2007 08:11 PM

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I am getting vacuum from the vacuum line right above/past the throttle body.

It is a smaller line. Should I maybe tap into the big ass vacuum line that goes to the break booster? That's the biggest on on my mani.

What one do you have it on? Do yuo have the stock size banjo/vacuum bolt on the Tial?

Thanks bro. I appreciate it.
OK I just uploaded this, so I can stop fukken around
is this vacuum too small and shit?
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