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Jacobmx5_ 12-05-2018 06:36 PM

Hood dump pipe AFR reading
 
Currently in the stage of researching turbo things for my 46k mile 1990 miata I have most parts sourced.
bosch ev14 550cc injectors
top mount cast manifold
china t3 50mm coldside 48mm hotside
MS pnp2
Tial 38mm ewg
intercooler with piping
oil lines
. . .
I plan on running a exhaust dump pipe out the hood.
Full exhaust would be nice moneys tight, maybe some of your inputs will change my mind for the better.

This is most likely a ridiculous question but serious.
Will the short dump pipe read afr's correctly or is it going to throw them off due to having a short dump pipe since Its a top mount so its going to have a short path of exhaust out the hood? Hopefully that made sense.
Plan on tapping the O2 sensor into the pipe at where it will bend x degrees upward for it to go out the hood. Leaving at least 6 inches plus to the atmosphere

18psi 12-05-2018 06:56 PM

stahp

Joe Perez 12-05-2018 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by Jacobmx5_ (Post 1513555)
Will the short dump pipe read afr's correctly or is it going to throw them off due to having a short dump pipe since Its a top mount so its going to have a short path of exhaust out the hood?

A sensor located six inches from the tip will yield inaccurate (false-lean) readings due to reversion, in a manner which will not be linearly consistent across any predictable map of RPM vs load.

This is why tailpipe sensors of the sort commonly seen in automotive emissions test stations and chassis dynos are located on the end of a long rod, and are generally shrouded.

Also, dumping exhaust out through the hood is just a terrible idea, generally. Especially if the vehicle is anything other than a drag-queen which gets trailed to events. (As you cite the cost of an exhaust system as a concern, I assume this not to be the case.)

Unsolicited advice: if spending $500 on an exhaust system is a major financial hardship for you, you're not going to like owning a turbocharged car long-term.

borka 12-06-2018 01:38 AM

If breathing fumes, going deaf, and attracting the attention of every cop in a 3 mile radius is cool these days, then go for it.

you bought terrible parts, might as well have a terrible setup I guess.

and yes, your afr will not read correctly.

rrjwilson 12-06-2018 04:50 AM

https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo...5-video-98389/

Please see this for venting dump pipe through the hood.
TL;DR do not do it.

sixshooter 12-06-2018 06:50 AM

I rode in a shitbox with a hood dump and can tell you that driving it two blocks made my eyes water and I stunk like exhaust all day.

If you cannot afford a piece of exhaust pipe you cannot afford to own and operate a turbo Miata.

You don't have an upgraded clutch on your list in the stock clutch will only handle the stock power of a 1.6.

The 1.6 diffs fail at stock power levels so replacement 1.8 differentials and axles are required.

Since you have a 1.6 you also require a variable throttle position sensor which you will have to wire in or your car will run poorly everytime you stomp on the gas.

There's more but you probably don't want to hear it.

ryansmoneypit 12-06-2018 07:25 AM

What Craigslist area will this thing be sold in? I need to keep other noobs away from it.

Stealth97 12-06-2018 07:49 AM

Hood dumps are stupid. Have some self respect, you can do better.

Jacobmx5_ 12-06-2018 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by borka (Post 1513595)

you bought terrible parts, might as well have a terrible setup I guess.

Constructive criticism?
Why are the parts terrible?

viperormiata 12-06-2018 08:57 AM

Hood dumps are the new cancer of the car world. So fucking stupid.

concealer404 12-06-2018 09:01 AM

Nothing says "class-less trash" like a hood dump.

borka 12-06-2018 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by Jacobmx5_ (Post 1513623)


Constructive criticism?
Why are the parts terrible?

top mount manifold without a matching downpipe, now you in a bind and cant afford to have a good custom downpipe welded up. Thus genius hood dump idea.

Ewg china turbo. Why not internal wastegate? Now you are stuck with the impossible mission and complication of the inability to make a normal downpipe, thus again forcing you into hood dump.

you save like $500 in buying shit parts vs a proper kraken manifold/Downpipe set. Is $500 worth it to have an obnoxiously loud and smelly setup? While butchering the car?

time and time again I see botched jobs just like this end up on craigslist, a week after the cool factor of hood exhaust wears off, and it becomes an obnoxious car to drive.

example

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...0abda3d084.png

do you want to be cool like this?

Jacobmx5_ 12-06-2018 11:42 AM

Upon further investigation there shall be no dump pipe. Thanks for the inputs.
Does anybody know where i can Scavenge 3 inch exhaust piping.

18psi 12-06-2018 11:46 AM

yes

sixshooter 12-06-2018 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1513680)
yes

Me too.

matrussell122 12-06-2018 12:30 PM

I also know as well

concealer404 12-06-2018 12:32 PM

I have purchased my fair share of 3" pipe in the past.

Braineack 12-06-2018 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 1513690)
I have purchased my fair share of 3" pipe in the past.

but did you scavenge it?

18psi 12-06-2018 01:17 PM

he just bit the pillow and took it. allofit. like a man

concealer404 12-06-2018 01:19 PM

I scavenged my bank account to get some.

matrussell122 12-06-2018 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1513706)
he just bit the pillow and took it. allofit. like a man

At least he only had to take all 3"

sixshooter 12-06-2018 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by matrussell122 (Post 1513713)
At least he only had to take all 3"

He had it coming to him.

borka 12-06-2018 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by Jacobmx5_ (Post 1513678)
Upon further investigation there shall be no dump pipe. Thanks for the inputs.
Does anybody know where i can Scavenge 3 inch exhaust piping.

i doubt you can fit a 3" downpipe and have an EWG all go into the exhaust.
not enough room to work with behind the turbo.

what manifold you have? pics?
turbo outlet vband or 5 bolt flange?


Jacobmx5_ 12-06-2018 02:23 PM

Top mount cast manifold. Post picture later
5 bolt flange

codrus 12-06-2018 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by borka (Post 1513722)
i doubt you can fit a 3" downpipe and have an EWG all go into the exhaust.
not enough room to work with behind the turbo.

Sure you can.

http://www.codrus.com/miata/fm2r/engine-and-tranny1.jpg

--Ian

borka 12-06-2018 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1513730)
Sure you can.
--Ian

I doubt our cost conscious poster wants to spend the kind of funds that it will take to accomplish this.

is this the manifold you have?
how are you connecting the tial ewg to the manifold?
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...17d3caa614.jpg

Jacobmx5_ 12-06-2018 03:00 PM

I’m planning on welding the waste gate to the manifold ( to the right* side of the flange) if not then to the bottom. I saw Tom do this with the exact same manifold and wastegate a couple years back here on the forum to his yellow sunburst Miata.

ryansmoneypit 12-06-2018 09:45 PM

So your going to weld to the cast manifold? Explain how this is going to work, long term. Hell, 1 month term.

Jacobmx5_ 12-06-2018 11:05 PM

Well Tom did it, seen bunch of people do it right and it works. You have to do it right! welding to cast iron is a bitch, not recommended. Brother had a welded ewg to his sr cast manifold.
Drill/cut your hole
pre heat the hell out of the manifold. acytelene torch, propane whatever you have till you see it slight orange.
Weld and tap the Cooling fusing metal to release pressure so it won’t crack.
finish up nicely and it should last.

borka 12-06-2018 11:17 PM

Well... You just threw "money is tight" out the window.

much easier to buy a standard pre fabbed kraken or FM t25 iwg manifold/dp set and slap a nice 2560 or 2871 turbo.

Good luck, I really hope all this works out for you and won't break the bank.

post pics of progress/finished product to prove us all wrong.

ryansmoneypit 12-07-2018 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by Jacobmx5_ (Post 1513832)
Well Tom did it, seen bunch of people do it right and it works. You have to do it right! welding to cast iron is a bitch not recommended. Brother had a welded ewg to his sr cast manifold.
Drill/cut your whole
pre heat the hell out of the manifold. acytelene torch, propane whatever you have till you see it slight orange.
Weld and tap the Cooling fusing metal to release pressure so it won’t crack.
finish up nicely and it should last.





your actually pretty spot on for the process. It does require a mix of filler though. I've used a twisted pair of wires, one with a high nickel content and the other with a lot of silicon . It's the longevity though. It can't be trusted as a permanent fix.

it's the heat cycle that really works the weldelement, bad.

all if this uncertainty is easily avoided by just plunking down the cash for quality components. Cry once, buy once.

HmoobDude 12-07-2018 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by borka (Post 1513835)
Well... You just threw "money is tight" out the window.

much easier to buy a standard pre fabbed kraken or FM t25 iwg manifold/dp set and slap a nice 2560 or 2871 turbo.

Good luck, I really hope all this works out for you and won't break the bank.

post pics of progress/finished product to prove us all wrong.

+1, you're cutting corners in one area only to make up the difference by having to make modifications elsewhere.

Balto 12-08-2018 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1513611)
I rode in a shitbox with a hood dump and can tell you that driving it two blocks made my eyes water and I stunk like exhaust all day.

If you cannot afford a piece of exhaust pipe you cannot afford to own and operate a turbo Miata.

You don't have an upgraded clutch on your list in the stock clutch will only handle the stock power of a 1.6.

The 1.6 diffs fail at stock power levels so replacement 1.8 differentials and axles are required.

Since you have a 1.6 you also require a variable throttle position sensor which you will have to wire in or your car will run poorly everytime you stomp on the gas.

There's more but you probably don't want to hear it.

Hell my exhaust was chopped off (by me, needed to get new exhaust and it was in the way during my 6sp swap) UNDERNEATH the car, right beneath the drivers seat and I still couldn't handle the exhaust smell +noise. Having to wear earplugs, not to mention I got pulled over literally every single time I drove the car around town (granted, it was only 3 times).

I only paid 390 from my header all the way to the back exhaust. That included a muffler, o2 bung, and new Flanges on my cat due to the PO being a hack and lopping off the stock flange points. On top of all that, I live in California where everything is more expensive!! Now my car smells great, has a nice(but quiet) exhaust note, and the cops don't even look my way anymore.
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Zeng Hugo 12-18-2020 12:07 AM

ignore all the hater here. i personally have hood exit on my 1.5j supra. I can hear music when cruising on highway. it will make the afr leaner depend on your rpm. most likely fuck up the AFR at idle. hood exit is not lot louder than the straight pipe. Believe me is still quick than some v8 straight pipe since the turbo is a muffler. My hot side is at the passenger side. so when I roll window up I wont smell anything. I drove my with hood exit for 1000 mile no problem. busted knuckle films drove his twin turbo LS hood exit for over 13000 mile roatrip in 3 months, cross country more than 3 times, doesn't seen he has hearing issue. Just do what you like no need to care about what other people say

18psi 12-18-2020 12:10 AM

Bro....you tarded by about 2 years

Zeng Hugo 12-18-2020 12:14 AM

?

Arca_ex 12-18-2020 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by Zeng Hugo (Post 1588931)
?

You replied to a two year old thread, and hood dump exhaust is dumb.

Let this die...

concealer404 12-18-2020 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by Zeng Hugo (Post 1588929)
ignore all the hater here. i personally have hood exit on my 1.5j supra. I can hear music when cruising on highway. it will make the afr leaner depend on your rpm. most likely fuck up the AFR at idle. hood exit is not lot louder than the straight pipe. Believe me is still quick than some v8 straight pipe since the turbo is a muffler. My hot side is at the passenger side. so when I roll window up I wont smell anything. I drove my with hood exit for 1000 mile no problem. busted knuckle films drove his twin turbo LS hood exit for over 13000 mile roatrip in 3 months, cross country more than 3 times, doesn't seen he has hearing issue. Just do what you like no need to care about what other people say


Shut the fuck up.

Scaxx 12-18-2020 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 1588950)
Shut the fuck up.

And get the fuck out

msmola2002 12-18-2020 01:21 PM


96mazda 01-18-2021 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 1588950)
Shut the fuck up.

people like you actually ruin the car community

msmola2002 01-18-2021 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by 96mazda (Post 1591056)
people like you actually ruin the car community

You joined to cry about someone who shat on someone for bumping a 2 year old thread?

Scaxx 01-18-2021 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by 96mazda (Post 1591056)
people like you actually ruin the car community

Shut the fuck up.

concealer404 01-18-2021 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by 96mazda (Post 1591056)
people like you actually ruin the car community

Per my previous reply...


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