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yajkenji 06-13-2009 05:44 AM

how high can a miata boost
 
How high can a stock miata boost ?

evank 06-13-2009 06:03 AM

Plenty of us run approx. 15 psi safely on stock internals, by using aftermarket engine computers, premium gas, constantly monitoring AFR, etc.

Few people dare exceed that much without built motors.

But I'm sure other people here will post replies with more detailed answers, and/or flames for asking such a dumb question without searching first.

Either way I look forward to reading them.

zoomin 06-13-2009 06:10 AM

in for pending amusement

fluke 06-13-2009 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by evank (Post 419080)
Plenty of us run approx. 15 psi safely on stock internals, by using aftermarket engine computers, premium gas, constantly monitoring AFR, etc.

Few people dare exceed that much without built motors.

But I'm sure other people here will post replies with more detailed answers, and/or flames for asking such a dumb question without searching first.

Either way I look forward to reading them.

Heads up Evank, I bent a rod at 15psi, almost took out the motor.

OP, you're going to get some "colorful" responses, don't take it personally and use the search function. There have been lots of posts on this subject.

gospeed81 06-13-2009 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by yajkenji (Post 419079)
How high can a stock miata boost ?

Up to about 15,000ft. But you should keep a close eye on AFRs when driving in the mountains.

Wait, stock Miatas don't have turbos.

slowmx5 06-13-2009 08:37 AM

With the right engine management you are good to 15/16psi on stock internals in my experience. I ran those values on a stock 1.6L FM2, then later with headwork, TEC3r, WI and a GT2860RS (0.86AR) for 60k miles with no problem. During that time the engine power went from 230bhp to 280bhp or so with the later additions. Torque (and rpm) is probably a better measure of how far you can go on stock internals though.

FRT_Fun 06-13-2009 08:37 AM

Why would a stock miata be boosted? What generation are we talking here?

Joe Perez 06-13-2009 09:04 AM

Greetings, yajkenji. As you've no doubt noticed by now, some questions get asked so often around here that the locals tire of them.

Short answer: there are many, many variables other than just boost pressure which influence how much the motor will stand up to before you break it. Engine management, charge cooling, state of tune, turbo size / efficiency, mechanical empathy, phase of the moon, etc.

Some folks are putting down 250 HP on stock internals. Others have cracked pistons and bent rods below 200.

Cspence 06-13-2009 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by evank (Post 419080)
Plenty of us run approx. 15 psi safely on stock internals, by using aftermarket engine computers, premium gas, constantly monitoring AFR, etc.

Few people dare exceed that much without built motors.


:wavey:

hustler 06-13-2009 09:42 AM

20g's, son.

Full_Tilt_Boogie 06-13-2009 10:01 AM

*facepalm*

How much boost on a gt2554 or on a gt3071?

There's a huge difference...

lordrigamus 06-13-2009 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 419098)

Short answer: there are many, many variables other than just boost pressure which influence how much the motor will stand up to before you break it. Engine management, charge cooling, state of tune, turbo size / efficiency, mechanical empathy, phase of the moon, etc.

Don't forget, there may also be a butterfly flapping it's wings in Japan! That could change everything.:laugh:

vehicular 06-13-2009 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by lordrigamus (Post 419146)
don't forget, there may also be a butterfly flapping it's wings in japan! That could change everything.:laugh:

mooothraaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joe Perez 06-13-2009 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by lordrigamus (Post 419146)
a butterfly flapping it's wings in Japan!

It is a common misconception that the use of the apostrophe is appropriate in the possessive form of the word "it."

While the apostrophe is generally used to create the possessive construct of a noun (including indefinite pronouns), it is not used to indicate possession in the case of a personal pronoun such as yours, his, hers, ours, its, theirs, and whose.

The only situation in which an apostrophe is used with "it" is to form contractions such as "it is" and "it has."

lordrigamus 06-13-2009 11:55 AM

You know... when those mini Asian chicks started singing... It kind of freaked me out.

I'm scared of clowns too. Just so you know.

lordrigamus 06-13-2009 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 419161)
It is a common misconception that the use of the apostrophe is appropriate in the possessive form of the word "it."

While the apostrophe is generally used to create the possessive construct of a noun (including indefinite pronouns), it is not used to indicate possession in the case of a personal pronoun such as yours, his, hers, ours, its, theirs, and whose.

The only situation in which an apostrophe is used with "it" is to form contractions such as "it is" and "it has."

Thank you good sir, I stand corrected.

kotomile 06-13-2009 12:03 PM

42.

lordrigamus 06-13-2009 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by kotomile (Post 419167)
42.

Yes... and it is quite a trek sometimes.:giggle:

albumleaf 06-13-2009 12:24 PM

I dunno how tall are your jackstands?

lordrigamus 06-13-2009 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by albumleaf (Post 419176)
I dunno how tall are your jackstands?

Great reply!:bowrofl:

gospeed81 06-13-2009 01:03 PM

About three spliffs high if you stay focused.

evank 06-13-2009 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by FRT_Fun (Post 419097)
Why would a stock miata be boosted? What generation are we talking here?

Well the bone-stock MSM runs around 7.5 psi. So that's how much a stock Miata boosts. It's never safe to change your car from factory settings, right? ;)

FRT_Fun 06-13-2009 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by evank (Post 419220)
Well the bone-stock MSM runs around 7.5 psi. So that's how much a stock Miata boosts. It's never safe to change your car from factory settings, right? ;)

No never. Just mentioning any type of modification is grounds for engine failure.

Judging by the questions I would say the OP should lower the boost on a MSM and stick to 0 for NA.

yajkenji 06-20-2009 02:16 AM


Originally Posted by FRT_Fun (Post 419097)
Why would a stock miata be boosted? What generation are we talking here?

we talking about a 90-97

NA6C-Guy 06-20-2009 02:29 AM

14.54psi in pressure and 16,298ft in altitude. Upgraded muffler bearing may be good for an extra psi or two.

Barry94 06-27-2009 01:05 AM

I am running about 16 psi at 4000-5000 rpm. The boost then rises to about 18 at 7000 rpm.

If you look at the torque curves for the 1.8, you will see a rapid drop about 5000 rpm. I have set up the boost control to try to flatten out the torque curve. I think this is safe since it is the torque that bends rods. So far the stock internals are holding. This is a 1994 which has the lowest comp ratio of all years I believe. It also has 107K miles and the piston rings are worn, so the cylinder pressures are probably not that excessive.

This assumes knock control, premium fuel, wideband O2 feedback, rich mixture, etc. to keep things safe.

Good Luck,
Barry

mx5tunerchallenge 08-26-2009 02:00 AM

I would say its safe to say that 12-14 psi is safe depending on many other variables; engine condition, turbo trim, setup etc. Just get a standalone and have a reputable tuner sort everything out. By the way 12-14 psi depending on your goals should be a quick miata (220-260whp depending on turbo size).:fawk:

Savington 08-26-2009 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by hustler (Post 419113)
20g's, son.

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Nagase 08-26-2009 04:25 AM

A stock 90-97 Miata can boost to exactly 14.696psi, at sea level. Your Miata would be slightly less in Kansas City.

therieldeal 08-26-2009 09:34 AM

eleventy psi

sixshooter 08-26-2009 10:15 AM

Schfifty five.

buffon01 08-26-2009 10:16 AM

Im on 20psi son... and I add 1% sugar for every gallon of premiun I pump, makes a really sweet ride. :skid:

levnubhin 08-26-2009 10:29 AM

25 psi on a 3071 or 6 on a 2554. I wouldn't go higher.
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Stein 08-26-2009 10:45 AM

32 psi. once.

jeff_man 08-26-2009 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 446774)
Schfifty five.

Woot group-x

albumleaf 08-26-2009 11:44 PM


Originally Posted by mx5tunerchallenge (Post 446683)
I would say its safe to say that 12-14 psi is safe depending on many other variables; engine condition, turbo trim, setup etc. Just get a standalone and have a reputable tuner sort everything out. By the way 12-14 psi depending on your goals should be a quick miata (220-260whp depending on turbo size).:fawk:

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