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Braineack 07-19-2008 03:33 PM

I'm well vested in aluminum.
 
I think I'm good for heat shielding....

http://boostedmiata.com/new_miata/en...tshield002.jpg

http://boostedmiata.com/new_miata/en...tshield003.jpg

http://boostedmiata.com/new_miata/en...tshield005.jpg

http://boostedmiata.com/new_miata/en...tshield006.jpg

http://boostedmiata.com/new_miata/en...tshield007.jpg

http://boostedmiata.com/new_miata/en...tshield008.jpg



Thanks Steph for the shields....made the turbine one fit perfectly. 1" spacer, chopped off the rear tab, added one for the valve cover.

kotomile 07-19-2008 03:47 PM

Looks good, needs more compressor...

rappadan 07-19-2008 03:57 PM

dang thats cool.......wink wink

cjernigan 07-19-2008 03:59 PM

Wait did you seriously mount the heatshield to the body of the car then bolt a bracket from the heatshield to the motor?
I know you have mazcomp mounts but I don't think that bracket wannabe brace will do much for you.

kotomile 07-19-2008 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cjernigan (Post 285070)
Wait did you seriously mount the heatshield to the body of the car then bolt a bracket from the heatshield to the motor?
I know you have mazcomp mounts but I don't think that bracket wannabe brace will do much for you.

FWIW all of the bowser shields are mounted to the VC and that same tab.

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Braineack 07-19-2008 04:21 PM

the tab on the valve cover flexes with any movement, i thought of this, otherwise i would have done it differently. but yeah, with my MSM mounts, the motor barely moves. If i can find the stock little rubber piece form the airbox, I'll swap it in.

cjernigan 07-19-2008 04:25 PM

Cool stuff then. They're heatshield is stout as heck to begin with let alone with extra bracing. I'm jealous, seriously you better lock your shit so I don't steal it.

Braineack 07-19-2008 04:29 PM

I had to cut off the rear mounting tab, took forever with my cut off wheel.... like 30x thicker than the flimsy 18g cold air box I made :)

kotomile 07-19-2008 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 285076)
If i can find the stock little rubber piece form the airbox, I'll swap it in.

Just use a little leftover heater hose or drain hose.

Braineack 07-19-2008 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by kotomile (Post 285082)
Just use a little leftover heater hose or drain hose.


that would be a lot of leftover.....if you look at the mounting tab near the master, I have a 1" spacer. The shield was designed for a 2860, my T3 needed more headroom. The stock bushing that goes there would be perfect, I just dunno if I still have it, I'll have to look in all my boxes 'o stuff.


But I've been averaging 90-100*F intake temperatures in cruise on 80-90* days....can't wait to see what this does for me. Before I button it up I'm going to drill a few hole below the filter itself. This should help promote airflow through the naca duct, as the fender well below it should be a low pressure zone.

y8s 07-19-2008 07:04 PM

that aluminum heat shield over the turbine is going to crack like nobody's business. flexing aluminum doesn't have nearly the same fatigue life as steel. make a springy version?

levnubhin 07-19-2008 10:50 PM

Nice stuff.. Do you have a pic of that airbox out of the car?
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Braineack 07-19-2008 11:10 PM

no. but imagine a triangle bent 90*. i can take one next weekend.


or you can picture it from this:

http://boostedmiata.com/random/cold_air_box.jpg

zoom2zoom 07-20-2008 02:39 AM

I want one, prices?

TravisR 07-20-2008 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 285123)
that aluminum heat shield over the turbine is going to crack like nobody's business. flexing aluminum doesn't have nearly the same fatigue life as steel. make a springy version?

Aluminum doesn't embrittle with thermal cycling, and its fatigue life in something like that is pretty good. I don't know what grade he used, but 2024 and 7075 are specially suited for high cycling low load fatigue. I'd imagine with the lack of substantial deflection he'd be alright with any grade though. Its tougher then most people give it credit for.

Nice looking piece

Braineack 07-20-2008 01:29 PM

The two on the manifold are BEGi pieces. that are probably 14g or 12g. I had to alter the turbine heatshield as it wasn't deigned for my turbo. The rear mounting tab also interfered with my heat hose, as BEGi reroutes the heater core return line. I chopped it off. SO I was left with only one mounting point, and that wouldn't fly. So I riveted a strip of 18g aluminum and attached it to the valve cover.

The only other spot I can see working, it attaching it to bracket off the brake proportioning valve....I decided against this, as I wouldn't want a heat source directly connected to something my brake fluid flows through. So I had to deal with the valve cover.

I have seen plenty of shields mounted in the fashion without issue....and the bowser heatshield its something like 18g or 20g aluminum.



the cold air box I made myself with 18g aluminum sheet. It cost $15.99. I believe it was 25" x 25". I used a cardboard template and then traced it on the aluminum. I cut it out with an air nibbler. I cut out the hole with a 4.5" hole saw. I bent it in a saw horse. is not hard to make, maybe an hour of my time.

kotomile 07-20-2008 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 285301)
...and the bowser heatshield its something like 18g or 20g aluminum.

coughstainlesscough

Ben 07-20-2008 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by kotomile (Post 285075)
FWIW all of the bowser shields are mounted to the VC and that same tab.

yeah and they all eventually crack. Mine's been rewelded and riveted, and guess what it did again a couple weeks ago. I think chad's right.

kotomile 07-20-2008 01:56 PM

O RLY?

Hopefully I have better luck with mine, since the rearmost piece has been hacked to clear the Begi DP.

jayc72 07-20-2008 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 285208)
no. but imagine a triangle bent 90*. i can take one next weekend.


or you can picture it from this:

http://boostedmiata.com/random/cold_air_box.jpg

Is this picture to scale? That's a 4.5" hole?

Ben 07-20-2008 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by kotomile (Post 285309)
O RLY?

Hopefully I have better luck with mine, since the rearmost piece has been hacked to clear the Begi DP.

mine's been altered to clear a TT pipe.

If I were you, I'd hog out the hole on the body mount and use a rubber isolator on top and bottom, and only loosely install the retaining nut. Give it plenty of wiggle room.

I'm replacing my shield with a blanket when the shipment comes in.

Braineack 07-20-2008 04:15 PM


Is this picture to scale? That's a 4.5" hole?
no i drew it really fast.


If I were you, I'd hog out the hole on the body mount and use a rubber isolator on top and bottom, and only loosely install the retaining nut. Give it plenty of wiggle room.
ben, this is exactly why im trying to source my little rubber piece that used to go there...and as you said, loosely tighten the nuts....the strip on the valve cover is actually slotted, not a just hole :) Beats the nothing I've had installed for 2 years.....and the price was right ;)

Ben 07-20-2008 05:39 PM

I'll look around work for one. Unfortunately that's the kind of thing that would get kind of blindly tossed somewhere, probably the trash.
A cut rubber hose would probably do the same thing anyway.

Braineack 07-20-2008 05:43 PM

I'll figure something out. i know i have one...two or three actually, just gotta figure out where i put them...

im just really curious to see what my intake temps look like now. since I've been running around with no shielding for the last 2 years.

jayc72 07-20-2008 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 285353)
no i drew it really fast.

Fucking slacker.

levnubhin 07-21-2008 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 285208)
no. but imagine a triangle bent 90*. i can take one next weekend.


or you can picture it from this:

http://boostedmiata.com/random/cold_air_box.jpg


Measurements?
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Braineack 07-21-2008 10:06 AM

no. but to correct myself, the hole is 4 1/8".

honestly, go get a piece of cardboard and make the magic happen yourself.

http://www.boostedmiata.com/new_miata/070308_13411.jpg

I don't think it took but 15 minutes to come up with my template.

jayc72 07-21-2008 10:44 AM

You are overlooking something, I'm lazy.

Braineack 07-21-2008 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by jayc72 (Post 285643)
You are overlooking something, I'm lazy.


so am i.

levnubhin 07-21-2008 01:47 PM

Got my template made up. Scott, what did you use to seal the top?

Self employment FTW!
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Braineack 07-21-2008 01:52 PM

looks good!


ir anything, trace out the hole shape, add two wings to bend 90* down, and somehow attach them....a piano bracket would be cool on the far end, with a simple nut and bolt near the headlight motor to secure it (easy reach with hand if ever need to open it up.

levnubhin 07-21-2008 02:02 PM

Yeah, i'll make sure to incorporate mounting tabs when I make it out of metal. Is there anu reason you didnt make a top and chose to just seal it against the hood?
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reddroptop 07-21-2008 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by levnubhin (Post 285763)
Yeah, i'll make sure to incorporate mounting tabs when I make it out of metal. Is there anu reason you didnt make a top and chose to just seal it against the hood?

More weight dude, just make the cardboard bigger then it has to be, and trim it down in the areas it needs to be to clear the hood, add a rubber seal, and it will seal itself with the hood closed.

Braineack 07-21-2008 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by levnubhin (Post 285763)
Is there any reason you didnt make a top and chose to just seal it against the hood?


one was easier than the other...

http://www.demotivateus.com/posters/...nal-poster.jpg


(or to spell correctly for that matter, it seems.)

Duckie_uk 07-24-2008 08:22 AM

Sorry threadjack

Brain, in your 4th pic next to the air filter you have some sort of gadget that looks like it plugs in to the AFM socket and breaks it out in to 2 cables for AIT and something else. Is that what it is and if so where did it come from I want one!!

/threadjack

paul 07-24-2008 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by Duckie_uk (Post 287253)
Sorry threadjack

Brain, in your 4th pic next to the air filter you have some sort of gadget that looks like it plugs in to the AFM socket and breaks it out in to 2 cables for AIT and something else. Is that what it is and if so where did it come from I want one!!

/threadjack


that's the factory airbag harness.

Duckie_uk 07-24-2008 09:48 AM

Aaaawwwwww Got all excited there, I dont like just pushing pins into my maf soket. Wanted something nice and permenant

Braineack 08-04-2008 09:29 AM

It's all back together and working great. Intake temps seem to be on average a lot lower. Sitting at a 5min light they never went above 95*F, I used to see +110*F. Before the fans kicked on, maybe 15-20 minutes into my drive the temps never saw over 10*F above ambient. Very happy.

Now I just need to mod this BEGi cold air box to work with my naca duct and intake pipe! :)


http://www.boostedmiata.com/new_miat...s/CIMG1724.JPG

http://www.boostedmiata.com/new_miat...s/CIMG1725.JPG

http://www.boostedmiata.com/new_miat...s/CIMG1726.JPG

http://www.boostedmiata.com/new_miat...s/CIMG1727.JPG

http://www.boostedmiata.com/new_miat...s/CIMG1728.JPG

http://www.boostedmiata.com/new_miat...s/CIMG1729.JPG

Stephanie Turner 08-04-2008 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 285048)
Thanks Steph for the shields.

You're welcome!
Stephanie

levnubhin 08-04-2008 03:54 PM

Niiice, I'll take it if you dont want it.
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Braineack 08-06-2008 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by levnubhin (Post 292159)
Niiice, I'll take it if you dont want it.

no that's ok :)


was able to mod the box just fine. I need to still rivet some aluminum sheet to cover the now large hole, then put the lip i bent up in a vice to flatten it out. But It's pretty much done now.

http://www.boostedmiata.com/new_miat...s/DSC01117.jpg


http://www.boostedmiata.com/new_miat...s/DSC01118.jpg


http://www.boostedmiata.com/new_miat...s/DSC01119.jpg

levnubhin 08-06-2008 12:06 PM

very nice. Im jealous. Now all you gotta do is show some love to the valve cover.
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m2cupcar 08-06-2008 12:11 PM

btw- I just noticed that this road work sign I found on the side of the road is aluminum sheet. Nice and thick too... hmmm.

Braineack 08-06-2008 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by levnubhin (Post 293008)
very nice. Im jealous. Now all you gotta do is show some love to the valve cover.


Local powdercoater will do it for sixty beans....just gotta find 60 beans laying around.

levnubhin 08-06-2008 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 293016)
Local powdercoater will do it for sixty beans....just gotta find 60 beans laying around.


Make another MS. I can prolly get you a buyer who wont hound you after.
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Braineack 08-06-2008 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by levnubhin (Post 293017)
Make another MS. I can prolly get you a buyer who wont hound you after.


yeah yeah, i know i want to soon. im just so not looking forward to it :)

levnubhin 08-06-2008 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 293018)
yeah yeah, i know i want to soon. im just so not looking forward to it :)

Is it because some people are complete dumasses and constantly bother you with stupid problems or because its just a pia to make?

My friend would never come to you as long as it works right when he got it.
Let me know.
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Braineack 08-06-2008 01:07 PM

something to that matter yes. :)

y8s 08-06-2008 01:12 PM

he wants more quality time with his kitties

levnubhin 08-06-2008 01:31 PM

lol
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Braineack 08-06-2008 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 293029)
he wants more quality time with his kitties


who me?!

http://www.boostedmiata.com/MS/built/bryce/CIMG1276.jpg

levnubhin 08-06-2008 01:46 PM

nice balls.
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kotomile 08-06-2008 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by m2cupcar (Post 293012)
btw- I just noticed that this road work sign I found on the side of the road is aluminum sheet. Nice and thick too... hmmm.

DO IT!! ..and hey, if you actually finish it, you'll be a step ahead of my attempt:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...e/DSCN0493.jpg

Braineack 08-15-2008 05:57 PM

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here you go matt and ben:

I took a piece of heater hose, filled it with silicone and then stuck two bolts on either end. gave it a session in the oven and a few days in the glovebox to completely cure.

screwed it and and will loosely tighten the top nut. allows for lots of movement.

budget racer 08-15-2008 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by levnubhin (Post 293051)
nice balls.

blue

y8s 08-15-2008 09:55 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 297021)
here you go matt and ben:

I took a piece of heater hose, filled it with silicone and then stuck two bolts on either end. gave it a session in the oven and a few days in the glovebox to completely cure.

screwed it and and will loosely tighten the top nut. allows for lots of movement.

:bigtu:


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